OT: Brussels attacks

It's not really the particular religion, it is the level of cultural development. Religion is used to justify these extreme acts, when that is what the mob already wants to do. You can find exactly the same stuff in the Bible, and there are plenty of regions of the world that pick and choose the barbaric bits instead of the new-fangled namby pamby leftist love-thy-neighbor bits.

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John Devereux
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John Devereux
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Religion is just the level of development of 1500 years ago, used today.

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Rob

Luke 14:26 explains a lot. Plus it shows why little has changed since 2 King 2:23-25.

The Koran and Hadith are /also/ "unpleasant" by today's western standards.

. Um... "good response".

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Tom Gardner

Jesus was a pretty peaceful guy. He stopped people from stoning an adulteress. That was a clear break from the Old Testament.

In conflicts between the old and new Testaments, which are many, most Christians go with Jesus. Literal interpretations of both the old Bible and the Koran are grim, incompatible with modern ideas of justice.

Modern peaceful, tolerant Muslims can't and don't accept the Koran literally. But some crazies do.

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John Larkin

That's cherry picking.

Christ made a very specific statement about the type of people he wanted to spread His teachings: they must be full of hate. In particular they must hate everybody around them before they can become disciples.

None of this peaceful, loving nonsense, oh no.

Ditto Christians.

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Tom Gardner

Jim-out-of-touch-with-reality-Thompson in vintage form.

If Jim's nearest and dearest don't recognise him as insane, he probably isn't clinically insane, but he's certainly both remarkably ignorant and remarkably complacent about his ignorance. Rather like John Larkin, but worse.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

Not all of them. I have seen at least one psychological study - after the fact, so no interviews - which said that most of them had histories of earlier suicide attempts (which their handlers don't admit).

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

e again?

But they should correct spelling errors found in written work submitted - i f Tulane's engineering students are required to be able to write.

It's embarrassing to make a spelling error. One of the engineers I worked w ith was seriously dyslexic, and could not see the point of spelling "there" , "they're" and "their" differently because "they all sounded the same". I would happily have proof-read his output to make it look more conventional, but he couldn't see the point.

ticle on it.

Sexual frustration may be part of it, but young men in poor Islamic enclave s have a lot more to be frustrated about than just sex. Economic impotence is no less painful - rich young farts do get girls (and other stuff as well , including respect, which most value).

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

They bulldoze the entrances to tunnels which happen to be under houses. It's the only way to deal with tunnels other than blowing up the whole length and collapsing all the houses along the way.

The land was there's according to the UN in 1948. It was taken from them. They took it back while defending from another attack. The point is they had the right to make the population move out into Jordan. Moshe Dian of all people decided to let them stay.

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Tom Del Rosso

The people who control them don't commit suicide. Suiced bombers are motivated, but their masters are less motivated and are relatively more vulnerable to persuasion.

That's just to answer your question directly, but that wouldn't be enough. What it takes is for other Arabs** to take action, in many forms, but they do nothing. They keep bitching about how it's only a few, and they're not all guilty, and those thugs are not practicing true Islam, but they do nothing to change the way those guys are taught Islam, and nothing to dissuade them, and nothing to report them when they see things as they must. When we employed large numbers of them to translate documents from Iraq a third of them couldn't be trusted to do it accurately. What fraction would it be if they were expected to actually do something like the Japanese soldiers in WWII did? Some of them are actually willing to fight but they are as few as the thug types.

**It hasn't been said enough that it's an Arab problem more than a Muslim problem. Google "what religions did Arabs have before Islam" and you'll find articles written BY MUSLIMS that mercilessly put the Arabs down as backward troglodytes.
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Tom Del Rosso

BS. They don't do anything because anyone poked a stick at them.

They'd say, "Utopia? Where are the virgins?"

And they already have food and money. Jobs are a problem because of their own disfunctional societies. That solution has to come from within. They have to make their own effort at solving practical problems to learn what makes a society work.

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Tom Del Rosso

Before the sixth century the Arabs had a tradition of burying infant girls alive in the sand. It wasn't a law because they only had tribal chiefs and no government or law of any kind (which is why Islam came along and filled a vacuum) but they did it because of peer pressure from their neighbors.

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Tom Del Rosso

Christian communities aren't famous for shutting down fundamentalist indoctrination factories - also known as religious schools.

Nobody reported on Timothy McVeigh when he was preparing to blow up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

I think you are making an unrealistic demand - perhaps not an unreasonable one, but reason doesn't have much influence on human behaviour.

Translation is a skilled job, and "accurately" is a matter of judgement.

Arabia has been poor for a lot longer than it has been Muslim. For a while they got rich by buying stuff from east and west and selling on to west or east, but the west cut out the middle men fairly early on. Getting excited about the cultural aspect of the problem - such as it is - is probably going off on a wild goose chase.

Arab society - and many Arab enclaves in the west - have a lot of under-employed young men with quite a bit to be resentful about. Improve their lives and ISIS and similar organisations lose their pool of potential recruits.

Countries with stronger economies aren't free of people with psychiatric problems - Timothy McVeigh, and Anders Breivik come to mind

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but there are fewer of them.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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bill.sloman

It was Christians who organized the abolitionist movement, for one of many examples. If anyone committed genocide IN THE NAME OF Christianity they sure as hell would shut it down. They'd start by protesting and condemning it, and Muslims do nothing. Qui tacit consentit. Silence implies consent.

He didn't talk about it in a church did he? If he had, and you think other Christians wouldn't have reported it, you're politically insane.

Actually his partner spent a month in Indonesia, where our president went to school. White supremacists always take extended vacations in places like that, don't they.

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Tom Del Rosso

Why do people who don't like the USA think using bombs to remove a dictator is at least as bad as using bombs to sustain one?

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Tom Del Rosso

Obama could have bombed ISIS on the open road as they captured one city after another. No civilian casualties. He wouldn't even do that.

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Tom Del Rosso

It's 72 virgins.

Perhaps they ask themselves "Then what do I do the second day?"

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Richard Henry

Not quite true I think. On the island of Iwo Jima they had 20,000 troops, and 200 surrendered. 99% would fight to the death.

The Japanese nation didn't surrender because of the bomb. They did because the Emperor ordered them to surrender. The bomb convinced him, and it took two bombs, so the bomb was necessary, but the decision was purely his. If he ordered them all to fight to the death, they would have.

So consider that in the context of ISIS. The Japanese Emperor was seen as a god. They have nobody who can order them to stop.

Obama could have bombed ISIS on the open road as they captured one city after another. No civilian casualties. He wouldn't even do that.

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Tom Del Rosso

Principally yes, but I presume that /some/ of our colonial experience would be the same.

A lot depends on the underlying culture - the Japanese WW2 experience noted elsewhere illustrates that.

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Tom Gardner

Wrong. All over the world Catholic priests/bishops behaviour with children show that to be over-optimistic.

Catholic Church's motto: "no child's behind left". Offensive? Yes. Deliberately so to indicate the disgusting immorality of the behaviour.

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Tom Gardner

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