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It does not specify that those that originally spread Christianity (or is that Paulianity? :) ) must hate. But it most certainly /does/ specify that they be /full/ of hate, not full of love.

People that are full of hate are incapable of spreading love, unfortunately.

Mistranslations are at the core of Christian theology and doctrine. The original apparently described Mary using words meaning "young woman of marriageable age", not "virgin".

Oh, but there are too many other "dicky" passages. Another classic is the behaviour displayed by Lot that doG regard him as a good person. Summary: brownnose those suspected to be important, and offer your virgin daughters to a mob for their pleasure, to get the mob will leave you alone.

Ah, the "might is right" justification. Personally I've never been a brown-noser :)

Indeed. My objection is to ignorant people that claim religion X is "good" or better than religion Y. Such people are usually wearing the equivalent of Zaphod Beeblebrox's Joo Janta 200 sunglasses.

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Yep. Individual liberty is one of the essential conditions for prosperity. Property rights is another, and rule-of-law is another.

Deny any of these, and you limit your society.

The whole purpose of socialism is taking other people's stuff. That violates all three conditions.

Cheers, James Arthur

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dagmargoodboat

Not just taking other people's stuff - but giving it away to a bunch of feckless, irresponsible wasters as well. And in the last few years especially, giving it away to a bunch of feckless, irresponsible wasters from the 3rd world. And more recently still, showering them with passports, driving licences, SS numbers, priority housing, welfare, free schooling....there's no end to it. And that's the so-called Republicans!

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Julian Barnes

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Some aspects of commerce need to be limited, like out of control greed and theft by the top 1%. Many of these people produce nothing, they don't creat e wealth and prosperity, all they manufacture is an illusion. They're garba ge, they need to go, and they will go. Another bunch of ruthless vermin who need to go are the damaging fossil fuel industry types. Nobody owns the en vironment and therefore nobody should have the freedom to trash it. I say w e need some very serious limiting, to the point of total elimination,of tha t sector of commerce. So you see, limiting is VERY GOOD thing.

That's more of your simple minded and wrong headed idiocy. The purpose of s ocialism is to set priorities for the common good. This means doing stuff l ike eliminating wasteful and abusive private health insurance, providing fr ee education and health care to the public, making big business pay into th e system from which they're extracting huge profits, and a host of other re forms that are completely absent in this horrendously mismanaged and corrup t malformed country. You don't like it, leave.

You're not going to be cheery for much longer.

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bloggs.fredbloggs.fred

That's the other side of the redistribution equation, with some of the implications.

Both U.S. parties do it, e.g., subsidizing ethanol, or solar. That takes from everyone, to benefit a few in a particular industry.

Cheers, James Arthur

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dagmargoodboat

On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:22:30 -0000 (UTC), Julian Barnes Gave us:

Barnes... you're a goddamned retard.

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Theft is already illegal.

Greed? How is it greedy to keep what you've earned, but not greedy to want what other people have earned?

rity, all they manufacture is an illusion. They're garbage, they need to go , and they will go. Another bunch of ruthless vermin who need to go are the damaging fossil fuel industry types. Nobody owns the environment and there fore nobody should have the freedom to trash it. I say we need some very se rious limiting, to the point of total elimination,of that sector of commerc e. So you see, limiting is VERY GOOD thing.

Right. Once you've agreed a man doesn't have a right to his property you can rationalize anything. Anything. Right up to the most horrible.

socialism is to set priorities for the common good.

That's crap. The entire purpose of socialism is to take other people's stuff. Politicians then give the booty out to their friends. That creates the corruption you're whining about.

th insurance, providing free education and health care to the public, makin g big business pay into the system from which they're extracting huge profi ts, and a host of other reforms that are completely absent in this horrendo usly mismanaged and corrupt malformed country. You don't like it, leave.

You've described a corrupt totalitarian, horrible, centrally-planned economy. They consistently suck.

The "common good," with few exception(*), is not some Borg-like dictate imposed on a free people by some obscure Vogon. The common good is mostly different things to different people, which can only be achieved by letting them seek it themselves.

America was the first country to realize that. We call it "freedom." It works extremely well.

(*) There is an objective common good in certain things (e.g. having a national defense) that benefit all (as distinguished from redistribution, which benefits one at the *expense* of others). That's why free peoples create governments, and why a free people included national defense in the U.S. Constitution.

I'll always be cheerful. You never seem satisfied.

A progressives' greatest fear is that someone else has more. At bottom, socialists are materialistic and greedy. That's an unhappy mix.

Cheers, James Arthur

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dagmargoodboat

The governments of most of the world are controlled by non-productice financial and stock-market types. And that is unlikely to change. Fortunately, productivity is so high that we can sort of afford them.

We can start by taking away your driver's license.

Cuba and Venezuela and North Korea are great examples.

Most of the big employers have.

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John Larkin

All you know is this kind of pseudo analysis at the atomic level from which you pretend to draw an induction about society as a whole. It's a transparent deception employed by most grifters.

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bloggs.fredbloggs.fred

I have always been bad at spelling and I recall one professor in particular who always downgraded my labs for misspelling. Unfortunately I just don't have the kind of memory that can recall arbitrary details unless there is some link to associate them with. Spelling and names. I have heard unusual names and even with trying hard to recall them, literally 10 seconds later I could not say it. Same with dreams. In the rare case of waking up with a dream in my memory, no matter how much I try to hang on, it fades like mist rising from a warm lake.

I think the stigma associated with misspellings is becoming a bit out of date. Yes, it is still expected that you can spell. But I don't think a misspelling on your resume will automatically eliminate you from further consideration while I was told that happens back when I was young. It would be like coming to a job interview with your shirt tail out. Now, I'm not sure anyone would notice a shirt tail or thing that's just the way you dress. After all, it's about the work, right? I think you can be a good engineer and not spell well.

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rickman

I suspect that will strongly depend on who is reading the CV, and where.

I was talking to a family friend last week, who, despite being an HR person, is actually very nice :) She said spelling and grammar mistakes are still a no-no.

I can understand that; if you have 100 CVs, then virtually any technique will be used to cut that down to 30. I would hope against hope that an exceptional candidate would still be interviewed.

More negatively, HR-droids are afraid of making a mistake for which they can be blamed (hence the rise of pseudo-scientific personality tests). Poor spelling/grammar in an otherwise exceptional person might imply they are "strange" => different, doesn't fit in, difficult to manage. All of which could lead to the droid being blamed - so the CV goes in the bin.

Depressing.

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Tom Gardner

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nd theft by the top 1%. Many of these people produce nothing, they don't cr eate wealth and prosperity, all they manufacture is an illusion. They're ga rbage, they need to go, and they will go.

Productivity is not high- that valuation is a bunch of inflated nonsense.

fuel industry types. Nobody owns the environment and therefore nobody shou ld have the freedom to trash it. I say we need some very serious limiting, to the point of total elimination,of that sector of commerce. So you see, l imiting is VERY GOOD thing.

Congratulations on spelling license correctly...

f socialism is to set priorities for the common good.

Great examples of democratic socialism...play nitwit much?

alth insurance, providing free education and health care to the public, mak ing big business pay into the system from which they're extracting huge pro fits, and a host of other reforms that are completely absent in this horren dously mismanaged and corrupt malformed country. You don't like it, leave.

That can be fixed, and not the way you think :-)

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bloggs.fredbloggs.fred

But you can't be a good engineer if you have no interest in getting the details right. Showing up for one day with proper attire (better than what the person interviewing you is wearing) isn't such a big deal, is it? Likewise, not bothering to spellcheck a resume doesn't speak well of your attention to detail.

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krw

original of what? the book goes into some detail on that matter.

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The whole purpose of socialism is to get society working as well as it can.

James Arthur is perfectly happy to see other people's stuff taken to pay fo r defence, police and the justice system - there are no property rights or rule of law without the machanisms to enforce the rule of law.

He also perfectly happy to see other peoples stuff taken to pay for roads a nd other infra-structure, which everybody uses.

What he objects to is other peoples stuff being used to keep the unemployed fed and healthy until the rich can get around to hiring them again. He's e qually unhappy about other peoples stuff being taken to found universal edu cation, despite the fact that the German fetish for tertiary education for most people - higher proportion of Germans have some form of tertiary qual ification than any other nationality - forms the basis for Germany's remark ably positive balance of trade, exporting stuff that nobody else seems to b e able to make as well.

About 50% 0f the German GDP is collected in tax and a lot of it is redistri buted into areas that James Arthur feels aren't the proper concern of gover nment. In the US only 30% of the GDP is collected as tax and redistributed.

Granting the sort of government that James Arthur wants - Tea Party conserv atives who make Donald Trump look attractive - he may be right about redist ribution carried out by the sort of politicians he likes.

Countries with better constitutional arrangements - and there are a lot of them - seem to be able to elect more competent governments.

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and theft by the top 1%.

But rarely prosecuted, particularly when carried out by the top 1%. None of the people who engineered the housing price bubble, whose implosion produc ed the GFT, have been prosecuted, nor have they been deprived of any of the ir ill-gotten gains. In fact the too-big to fail mantra has kept them remar kably well-paid.

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We live in a society where quite a lot of what we earn is taxed away to kee p that society running. You don't object to the taxes that pay for the serv ices that keep you securely in control of your property, but object to spen ding on stuff that you don't exploit, like education for the people who wou ld work for you, if you could be bothered to set up a multi-person business .

perity, all they manufacture is an illusion. They're garbage, they need to go, and they will go. Another bunch of ruthless vermin who need to go are t he damaging fossil fuel industry types. Nobody owns the environment and the refore nobody should have the freedom to trash it. I say we need some very serious limiting, to the point of total elimination,of that sector of comme rce. So you see, limiting is VERY GOOD thing.

Sadly, you are perfectly happy with the idea that a man doesn't have a righ t to some of his property - the bit that pays for the army, the police and the justice department that make sure that he can keep it without paying fo r his own castle and its defenders - but you are less happy with stuff that doesn't get spent for your personal benefit.

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Politicians were dealing out pork-barrel contracts long before the word "so cialism" had been invented. Corruption is even longer established, and the sort of right-wing politicians you fancy - remember Dick Cheney and Halibur ton - are still at it.

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makes socialist Denmark the least corrupt country, followed by Finland and Sweden. The US is an unimpressive 16th on the list.

alth insurance, providing free education and health care to the public, mak ing big business pay into the system from which they're extracting huge pro fits, and a host of other reforms that are completely absent in this horren dously mismanaged and corrupt malformed country. You don't like it, leave.

Actually he isn't describing anything of the sort. Modern socialism doesn't go in for centrally-planned economies, and the countries that practice it are neither corrupt or totalitarian, and consistently beat out the US as pl aces to live.

You are living in a right-wing time warp, where the lying habit of communis t countries of describing themselves as "socialist" is still taken seriousl y, when in fact the the socialists threw out Marx and the proto-communists in 1870 on the ground that they were dangerously undemocratic.

At the time Bakunin made the prophetic comment "If you took the most ardent revolutionary, vested him in absolute power, within a year he would be wor se than the Tsar himself."

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And the difference between modern socialism and the communist regimes you w ant to straw-man associate with them is that modern socialism uses democrat ic politics to let the voters make it clear what they want.

America was scarcely the first country to allow the ruled to influence the rulers. It did get a written constitution fairly early one, but - as writte n constitutions go - it isn't all that good. A sort of MS-DOS to the German Linux.

Defense and the justice system benefit the rich (whose property is being de fended) a lot moire than the poor, who haven't got much property to defend.

Universal education and universal health care benefit everybody. Educated w orkers are more productive, whoever they work for, and infectious diseases infect everybody (if the victims aren't cared for in isolation wards).

Welfare doesn't directly benefit the rich, but the indirect benefits of kee ping the unemployed (and their kids) healthy and well-fed between jobs are real, and show up as productive labour being available when you want to hir e it, as opposed to being locked away in prison for stealing food.

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bill.sloman

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rity.

nd theft by the top 1%. Many of these people produce nothing, they don't cr eate wealth and prosperity, all they manufacture is an illusion. They're ga rbage, they need to go, and they will go.

fuel industry types. Nobody owns the environment and therefore nobody shou ld have the freedom to trash it. I say we need some very serious limiting, to the point of total elimination,of that sector of commerce. So you see, l imiting is VERY GOOD thing.

f socialism is to set priorities for the common good.

Cuba is roughly level-pegging with the US on health care. Venezuela is a lo t worse, and North Korea is a disaster.

None of them is a modern socialist country - for which you have to go to Sc andinavia. North Korea is military dictatorship that likes to describe itse lf as "socialist" but is totally undemocratic. Venezuela is just a mess.

alth insurance, providing free education and health care to the public, mak ing big business pay into the system from which they're extracting huge pro fits, and a host of other reforms that are completely absent in this horren dously mismanaged and corrupt malformed country. You don't like it, leave.

They exploit their employees even more enthusiastically in countries that h ave even worse worker-protection legislation. If the country shows signs of starting to put employee-protection legislation in place, the CIA engineer s a coup - as in Chile.

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bill.sloman

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More to the point, HR hasn't got a clue how to read an engineering CV and w ill latch on to anything they can understand - like spelling and grammar - to do their first cut.

Back in the late 1980's, the Cambridge Instruments HR team managed to rejec t a totally exceptional Chinese candidate no less than there times. Happily , the guy's wife played badminton with the wife of one of our engineers and the CV got into the hands of our chief engineer despite HR.

We hired him, and he promptly revolutionised the way we put our electron mi croscope columns together. Before, they'd been aligned with lots of grubs s crews (three for each lens) and got misaligned if somebody lent on them.

He had them micromachined to sub-micron accuracy, and shrink assembled - th e outer bit got warmed to 300C and the inner bits got cooled in liquid nitr ogen - so that they were interference fits at room temperature.

The first one got driven to Spain in the back of the marketing managers Ran ge-Rover and was still perfectly aligned when it arrived ...

The guy got head-hunted to California after three years - they could offer him US citizenship ...

A couple of UK companies deliberately kept their divisions at about the 200

-300 people size so that there was no HR department, and every CV had to be read by the relevant manager. The Eurotherm Group used to work that way - might still do for all I know.

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bill.sloman

I can't imagine the would do that unless someone appears to be functionally illiterate. What I've always been told they do, and it has been repeatedly verified over the years, is to search for buzz words. I was advised early on to make sure any buzz word related to my work showed up in the resume or it wouldn't make it past the first cut.

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rickman

Cherry picking means taking out of context; in that context, it was clear that he needed to chose disciples who wouldn't be distracted by the family business from doing God's work. It wasn't about being full of hate, it was about putting aside a long list of excuses (which are detailed in 14:18 ff)

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