I offered you hosting that would include all the email you want and someone else asked about the email you get with your hosted URL. Why do you feel the need for a third party email service? Why not use the email that is part of your web site hosting? I see you have email set up through snipped-for-privacy@analog-innovations.com. Why not use analog-innovations.com for all your email?
-- Rick
Shoot, I missed the most important part. I have been using Eudora for nearly 20 years now. Well, as long as I can remember anyway. Even though the bug fixes have stopped, bug additions are also absent and I think that is a more than fair tradeoff. If I start using Linux, I'm not sure what I will do. Maybe Eudora will run under WINE.
-- Rick
You only need to get it wrong once to screw your whole setup. You set up client 1 to collect by POP but leave the messages on the server. You set up client 2 the same, and you've got the messages on both. You set up client 3, but forget to set the "leave messages on server" box before you start, and they are gone from the server.
But more importantly, using POP3 like this only works if you have a small number of messages, no structure (such as folders), no interest in tracking outgoing emails, and are happy to "read" the same email on every client. It was perhaps not too bad a decade ago, but when you have had an email account under heavy use for some years, you want something better. And when you have multiple clients (such as a telephone, a pad, a couple of desktops, a laptop - plus webmail clients) with the same email account, you want them synchronised and the incoming, archived and sent emails all available.
You can backup your local copies of IMAP mails without trouble. A decent desktop email client will happily let you download folders for "offline use" - then you save the folders in whatever backup system you want. For more sophisticated backup, use imapsync to make copies (including updating old backups, rather than downloading everything again) - and you can serve out these downloaded copies using an IMAP server so that your backup copies are conveniently accessible.
Of course, the best idea is to make sure the server has good backups and replication, such as by using a solid server company or doing your own imap serving.
"We at Rackspace Strongly recommend using an IMAP connection with Rackspace Email"
That's way too much like work. I just turn off deletion on the server, and use POP3 everyplace. Knowing when I last read my mail takes care of the multiple new messages problem, so it isn't an issue.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
-- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
Registering a gmail account, then connecting by imap is not a great deal of work. It is far less work than messing around with pop3 backups - it is even less work than remembering to disable server deletion on pop3. And if you prefer Rackspace to gmail, using imap is not exactly rocket science there either. The hosting company will handle the backups.
We agree that setting up email isn't very difficult, but we obviously have very different philosophies of backing up stuff. As far as I'm concerned, if it isn't backed up on discs that I can touch myself, it isn't backed up. Server-side backup is a nice-to-have, for sure, but Google can turn the lights out on Gmail any time it wants. I have backups of my mail from two or three mail servers that no longer exist (including some from VM mainframe days).
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
-- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
Back-up... I have everything on my local hard-drive _plus_ additionally written to CD's or DVD's.
I certainly wouldn't have folders on gmail. What I have is all mailbox/folder sorting done at my local PC.
I'm rather extreme >:-} but I have several hundred E-mail addresses via my website, which forward to two on gmail, from whence I retrieve them with Eudora, which sorts them into the appropriate location.
Outbound I simply use Cox... they (so far) don't screw with outbound E-mail (as long as you're not running a list server). ...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
Terabyte USB hard drives are under $100 nowadays. I back up my mail daily, rotating backups, and monthly propagate that to my offsite PCs.
DVDs are so last century.
-- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 09:02:07 -0800, John Larkin Gave us:
Even better would be to use a full RAID system with 5 or more drives, and you could do your backups onto mSATA SSDs, which take up about 1
40th the volume of a 3.5 inch platter based drive, AND they are way faster too.At the end of it, you have a bunch of really good SSDs to fashion your next RAID array out of. Eventually, you'll have a RAID array wherever you keep or generate sensitive data, and you would eventually make you back ups onto RAID arrays as well. Get a nice, deep floor safe (installed into a slab) and you do not have to worry about "off site" requisites any more either. The drive form factors allow easy use of the safe. No more lugging drives from place to place.
Smaller SSDs are cheaper, so a RAID array of them is a cheaper build, and results in a more reliable data store, AND it works nearly an order of magnitude faster, so even makes all those SPICE guys happy, even though they do not know where the bottleneck is in that process either..
I have a couple of 3-TB RAID-5 NAS boxes, one at the lab and one at home.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
-- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
But DVD's and CD's don't die arbitrarily like USB drives... I had one die on me last month. Fortunately it was just stuff of which I had original copy. ...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
All my three "work" PCs have front-panel hot-plug RAID drives. Never had a failure. What's cool is that I can clone my work PC OS to my home and cabin PCs easily. And I can occasionally drop off a full drive as a spare/backup/checkpoint, with everything installed and ready to run if needed.
I think my Spice runs are compute limited. Possibly slowed down by logging sim data to disk. I'm seeing about 55% CPU load by LT Spice on my switcher sim. So maybe a non-RAID SSD would help there, for temp storage of the sim data.
-- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
We're cutting over from old klunky server boxes to tiny RAID NAS boxes sitting on a shelf. Much easier.
-- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
My backup problem isn't losing copies, it's having too many!
We do multiple rolling hard-drive backups of all our official company files. And once a month, it gets written to a metal-tube-O-ring USB memory stick, with copies of that all over California.
-- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
Mine are Synology DS411slim, which was recently discontinued but is still in support. I basically just use it for local NetBIOS and remote SSH/SFTP. The discs are HGST 1.5 TB 2.5-inch, and have been running for six months or so, non-stop. I had one infant-mortality failure, but the other seven have been working flawlessly (zero restarts on S.M.A.R.T).
I have both of them on IBM-rebadged APS SmartUPS 750 UPSes that I got on eBay for about $50 each.
The NAS knows how to talk to the UPS to make sure it shuts down cleanly in the event of a long power outage.
But I still take DVD images occasionally.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
-- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
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I live in an air-conditioned world with exceptionally low humidity, and each CD/DVD is saved in its own container so they can't rub and scratch... so I have CD's dating back decades that read just fine.
Some years ago, when I still had a 5-1/4" floppy drive that a PC knew how to talk to, I copied all my really old stuff to CD's ;-) ...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 11:38:53 -0700, Jim Thompson Gave us:
Good move, because floppies are notorious for becoming unreadable. And it is usually the drive, not the disc. Picky read/reject/give-up code. My 2.88 laser aligned floppies NEVER EVER lost a single bit of data ever. Try to find a drive or motherboard BIOS with support though. Near impossible. Sad too, since they were far superior. Got left behind with other "overpriced" (by the mindset of the day) IBM PS2 type "proprietary think" technology, just as they ushered in Iomega's triple overpriced utter crap, which everyone embraced simply because of capacity numbers. I still have 2.88 drives and discs and even an old machine somewhere with the right BIOS. I think one can still buy a PCIs I/O card with a floppy interface on it that carries it.
I wanted to backup my DesqViewX install floppy images, and was so frustrated trying. Then I found the dang image set online! AND QEMM
386 too! Pretty sure even Bloggs could hunt up and DL a full set within a few minutes online, if he wasn't such a caveman.I now look online for old legacy stuff, as trying to round up working install packages here is not always easy. No nefarious purpose. I own the discs, so finding already done copies is not a crime. Gotta love the internet. AND QEMU AND DOSBox.
AND Old hardware! (I speak for myself :-)) (where's my coffee?!)(Maybe put some Jamison's in there)
On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 10:53:12 -0800, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno Gave us:
Heheheh... If you own it, flaunt it, baby!
(if you do not, don't touch)(BRL!)
Wishful thinking ?>:-}
I still (very) occasionally find a use for QEMM386.
About the only legacy stuff I use now are a tool that converts PCWrite document files to Word; and I, once in a while, haul out the old original OrCAD symbol libraries so I can convert those schematics to PSpice.
Sounds good... I'm a Drambuie fan myself ;-) ...Jim Thompson
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| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
Well, my solution isn't for everyone. I host my own smtp server on my company web server. That, of course, filters NOTHING. Then, I use the spam filters on Thunderbird. The first day it is pretty awful, then the next day it throws everything into the junk folder, and you go through it and "un-junk" the good messages. After that, it is quite well trained, and VERY rarely misclassifies any messages.
Well, works for me, anyway.
Jon
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