About a billion a year in San Francisco. With roughly 7000 homeless, that's $140K per person. The homeless get a small fraction of that. The 150 or so providers take most. Some homeless register with multiple providers.
About 90% of the homeless claim to be veterans. One told me he was "stationed out of Hanoi."
The latest thing is to provide parking and facilities for people living in vehicles. The City should put up billboards all across the Americas, "Free RV Parks in San Francisco."
-- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc trk jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
If you fail to sanction anti-social behaviour you get more of it.
The reality is that a lot of homeless people are homeless because they are insane. Housing them in lunatic asylums is expensive, and the health care s ystem can get away with "care in the community" for lunatics who aren't obv iously dangerous to other people, even if they are a danger to furniture an d fittings.
If you do get into providing housing for the homeless, you do need to keep that in mind. Cursitor Doom hasn't got much of a mind, so this may have esc aped him.
-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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Great idea when you are providing housing for substance abusers and the men tally ill.
ociety' lie that all they need was a place to live. Then they would stop dr inking, selling drugs and killing each other out of gratitude. Trash is tra sh. I saw plenty of it doing TV repair while I was still in school. Sloman should have to live in one of these Socialist's Dream Homes!
Socialists do have a committment to finding solutions that work.
Right-wingers are fond of taking socialist ideas, implementing them inadequ ately - in ways that guarantee that they won't work - and poncing around af terwards pointing out that the idea didn't work.
When they get implemented in places like Scandinavia and Northern Europe so cialist ideas have this strange tendency to work a lot better.
-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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n the '60s. My home town in Ohio spent millions to build apartment building s. Within two years, most were unlivable because the tenants had destroyed them. The only one that did OK was a 55+ building for retired people who ha d owned homes.
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NT has so little knowledge of right-wing lunatics that he can't guess, whic h is strange when he looks so very like one.
-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Ah! Will do....
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"When constituencies are small their elected representatives must concern themselves with the local interests of their constituents. When political representatives are distant and faceless, on the other hand, and represent vast numbers of unknown constituents, they represent not their constituents, but special interest groups whose lobbyists are numerous and ever present. Typically in Europe a technocrat is an ex-politician or a civil servant. He is unelected, virtually impossible to dislodge during his term of employment and has been granted extensive executive and even legislative power without popular mandate and without being directly answerable to the people whose interests he falsely purports to represent."
- Sir James Goldsmith (Member of the European Parliament) 1933 - 1997
This "solution" smells kind of "final".
-- Jasen.
Well, if you haven't had a reply by now then there's something I'm doing wrong. it's getting late here where I am so we'll have to try it again tomorrow by the looks of things.
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"When constituencies are small their elected representatives must concern themselves with the local interests of their constituents. When political representatives are distant and faceless, on the other hand, and represent vast numbers of unknown constituents, they represent not their constituents, but special interest groups whose lobbyists are numerous and ever present. Typically in Europe a technocrat is an ex-politician or a civil servant. He is unelected, virtually impossible to dislodge during his term of employment and has been granted extensive executive and even legislative power without popular mandate and without being directly answerable to the people whose interests he falsely purports to represent."
- Sir James Goldsmith (Member of the European Parliament) 1933 - 1997
YES! Works for me.
And yes, the word DOES get around.
He's probably just some scammer with a plan anyway.
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"When constituencies are small their elected representatives must concern themselves with the local interests of their constituents. When political representatives are distant and faceless, on the other hand, and represent vast numbers of unknown constituents, they represent not their constituents, but special interest groups whose lobbyists are numerous and ever present. Typically in Europe a technocrat is an ex-politician or a civil servant. He is unelected, virtually impossible to dislodge during his term of employment and has been granted extensive executive and even legislative power without popular mandate and without being directly answerable to the people whose interests he falsely purports to represent."
- Sir James Goldsmith (Member of the European Parliament) 1933 - 1997
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the above points are correct. But it does not follow that it's the simple & obvious approach for landlords to evict troublesome tenants without delay. The situation is a good bit more complex than that.
He seems to understand this one better than you.
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The *only* subject Bill unquestionably knows more about than me is electronics. Unfortunately, he spends practically his whole time here shamelessly displaying his outstanding ignorance of everything else!
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"When constituencies are small their elected representatives must concern themselves with the local interests of their constituents. When political representatives are distant and faceless, on the other hand, and represent vast numbers of unknown constituents, they represent not their constituents, but special interest groups whose lobbyists are numerous and ever present. Typically in Europe a technocrat is an ex-politician or a civil servant. He is unelected, virtually impossible to dislodge during his term of employment and has been granted extensive executive and even legislative power without popular mandate and without being directly answerable to the people whose interests he falsely purports to represent."
- Sir James Goldsmith (Member of the European Parliament) 1933 - 1997
Quite.
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"When constituencies are small their elected representatives must concern themselves with the local interests of their constituents. When political representatives are distant and faceless, on the other hand, and represent vast numbers of unknown constituents, they represent not their constituents, but special interest groups whose lobbyists are numerous and ever present. Typically in Europe a technocrat is an ex-politician or a civil servant. He is unelected, virtually impossible to dislodge during his term of employment and has been granted extensive executive and even legislative power without popular mandate and without being directly answerable to the people whose interests he falsely purports to represent."
- Sir James Goldsmith (Member of the European Parliament) 1933 - 1997
Cursitor Doom is rather like krw - he has total faith that what he thinks he knows is absolutely right, and is equally convinced that he knows enough for all practical purposes.
-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Right-wing nitwits have a commitment to finding non-solutions - mostly doing nothing - that look good to them. They see complacent inaction as a virtue.
It can be cheap - in the short term.
-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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& obvious approach for landlords to evict troublesome tenants without dela y. The situation is a good bit more complex than that.NT in characteristic pretentious clown mode. He makes an assertion about ho w much more complex the situation is than lesser mortals can appreciate, bu t skips the bit about what might these complexities might be or what might be done to handle these imagined complexities.
Which is to say he shares NT superficial right-wing nitwit view of the situ ation.
This is a way of "understanding" the situation, but not a productive or use ful one.
-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
The complexities aren't imagined, Bill. Go into any legal bookstore in the West and you will find massive, weighty tomes of up to a thousand pages or more on the protections for tenants afforded by Landlord & Tenant law. Weighty, prolix and complex though these tomes undoubtedly are, they are still not exhaustive commentaries on the subject - that subject being overwhelmingly dominated by 'contributions' from Socialist, Liberal, Progressive governments who just hate Capitalism and seek to destroy it in all its forms.
-- "When constituencies are small their elected representatives must concern themselves with the local interests of their constituents. When political representatives are distant and faceless, on the other hand, and represent vast numbers of unknown constituents, they represent not their constituents, but special interest groups whose lobbyists are numerous and ever present. Typically in Europe a technocrat is an ex-politician or a civil servant. He is unelected, virtually impossible to dislodge during his term of employment and has been granted extensive executive and even legislative power without popular mandate and without being directly answerable to the people whose interests he falsely purports to represent." - Sir James Goldsmith (Member of the European Parliament) 1933 - 1997
how much more complex the situation is than lesser mortals can appreciate, but skips the bit about what might these complexities might be or what mig ht be done to handle these imagined complexities.
I didn't deny that the complications exists. I just asserted that NT hadn't told us anything about them, and strongly suspect that this because he has n't got a clue about them. He has posted here before (rather too often) and when he risks saying anything specific he almost always posts fatuous nons ense.
On your broader assetion, modern socialist governments don't hate capitalis m - they just see it as a rather unruly force that needs to be carefully re gulated.
Since capitalism - left to its own devices - destroys itself by degeneratin g into monopolies and cartels (as Adam Smith mentioned in "The Wealth of Na tions") regulating it is a necessary part of stopping it from destroying itself.
The people who pay for the propaganda that gullible twits like you lap up d on't like being regulated, and desperately want to be able to set up the c artels that will let them rip off their customers to their heart's content.
They are too dumb to realise that if they don't look after their work force , they will be out-competed by people who do - which is why Germany exports almost as much as the US while having only a quarter of the population.
Have you noticed that US health care costs half as much more per head than German healthcare, and delivers rather poorer health? The NHS is even cheap er, and still outperforms the US system.
Under-regulated capitalism sucks, and you are much too dim and gullible to have noticed.
-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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