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It is a fairly accepted historical fact that USA forced USSR to compete in the defense systems field. USA has even boasted about outcompeting and bankrupting the Soviet Union through this process of military spending escalation.

Soviet Union had no reason to use violence to spread its ideology, it could gain support in peaceful ways.

It was the capitalist side which needed to use violence to defend their old system against democratic and socialistic reforms. The workers unions and the workers movements were strong even after the nazi's had cleansed Europe from democrats and workers union people for a decade.

Soviet Union enjoyed a lot of support from workers in the west and in the third world. It took a lot of violence, clandestine operations, money and capitalist propaganda to "save" the world from a global socialist revolution. Hitler saved capitalism in the 30ies and 40ies. After the war the americans were the only ones who had an undamaged industry and a good economy, so they could control the media outside the communist bloc.

They set out to dominate and control as many governments as possible, and to terrorize the countries which would not follow orders from Washington.

Just like Hitler they had started to see the world on a global scale, and themselves as the superior players in that world.

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 Roger J.

I sure hope you don't use that sort of reasoning to design electronics.

John

There is none so blind as he who will not see.

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Good Luck!
Rich

You make "capitalism" sound like a bad thing. That's just silly. Without capital, you can't build anything. The only difference between capitalism in a republic and capitalism in a dictatorship is that in the dictatorship the dictators control all of the capital.

The unions just want their piece of the action.

Thanks, Rich

"Capitalism" never really existed in the sense that labor and socialists have always defined it; "capitalism" is just a word they have (rather successfully) used to denigrate economic freedom.

Great industries, the ones that increased productivity and changed the world for the better, were never about capital; they were about ideas. Money is just a necessary tool to implement revolutionary ideas, but if used by itself is usually frittered away. Henry Ford had ideas and no capital, so got rich; today's Ford Motor Company has capital and no ideas, and is in trouble.

The "means of production" that the Communists have always wanted to get control of is an illusion; Communism promptly destroys the means of production, which is innovation combined with economic pluralism.

And worse, they want to destroy other peoples pieces.

John

This must be one of those faith-based deals, right?

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Britain is in a special situation. They played together with USA for a long time, maybe for the whole 20th century.

Now it is time for the British to change foot and become a member of Europe instead.

We can see a heritage from the british empire in the US politics after WWII. USA took over the role of world leader and administrator of the whole world. But the british could share this position by backing up USA and their foreign policy.

The 20th century was used to re-draw the maps of the world, to better fit to the new economical and industrial power situation.

American and british investment bankers and big industrialists invested heavily in the nazi movement, to de-stabilize Europe, to attack the democratic and socialist movements, to attack Soviet, and to re-draw the strategic map of the world.

The result of WWII was that USA took the supreme power in the world, with the british as a secret ally.

The British sold out continental Europe for a hundred years, and now they want to become europeans.

Tricky stuff.

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 Roger J.

There is no need for little green pieces of paper to build anything, unless the specification says that it has to consist of glued-together green pieces of paper.

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 Roger J.

What a pile of socialist BS! Frozen brained ?:-)

...Jim Thompson

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I love to cook with wine.      Sometimes I even put it in the food.

And before. It's no accident that the most successful countries share the heritage of British Common Law.

Inherited, not took over. And certainly not the whole world.

Certainly; they've most always been sensible.

The scheme being universal democracy, wealth, and equality. What an evil plot!

If there was any thought beyond making money, which is unlikely, it was to *stabilize* Europe.

The supreme power is world economy and world culture. Some people consider those to be American, but they aren't. Now that the classic Socialist dream is in sight, the Socialists turn out to be terrified of it; they never figured to be living under socialist equality with a bunch of Chinese and Pakistanis and Africans.

The smart ones don't.

John

The US proposed a ban on nuclear weapons; the Soviets refused. The US proposed "open skies"; the Soviets refused. The US let western Europe form their own governments; the Soviets installed puppet states and killed anybody who wanted otherwise. Read some history, for pete's sake.

Yup, that finally worked.

Tell that to the Poles, the Czechs, the Ukranians, the Tibetans. Repeat it over the graves of the tens of millions who died in the frozen prison camps of the gulag, and the famines of the Great Leap, in the Killing Fields of Cambodia. It will comfort the North Koreans who are watching their children die.

John

You forgot something.. It's a rich man's world. The money rules.

The western democracies are in a twilight zone, in transition between capitalism and democracy. We live in an era of a tug of war between the power systems of old, like the rich, the priests, the nobility and the royalty, and the power system of the future, democracy. These old elites who have lost the power are still present, trying to take any chance to regain some influence and power.

In the future the decisions will be made by the people and for the people, not in secret in some corporation office for the sake of profit. Capitalism and democracy are not compatible, both want to take the decisions in the society and in production and transport systems.

If rich people and the state in one country supports extremist movements in another country, what do you call that?

Look at the result if you want to know the real reasons why it "happened". That is a good rule in general when studying history.

If you were smart, in a political sense, you would. :-)

We need EU badly in Europe. One reason is that many corporations are stronger today than many european countries. Only in bigger union can we have political freedom which cannot be overthrown by big money.

"There's no doubt about it. In fact, it's all doubt."

(P Floyd)

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 Roger J.

Ideas rule. Being rich gives no advantage in being able to spot, or control, trends.

I think we agree that we both want more democracy, more personal freedom, more well-being across the whole world. Where we seem to disagree is the relationship between what you call "capitalism" (and I call "free economy") and that goal of human progress.

I think that business makes progress and well-being possible, by enhancing productivity, and that a strong free economy eventually results in a demand for democracy. Multinational business has a tremendous share-the-wealth effect on the world... much more efficiently than Socialism. And the problems associated with "big business" are best fixed by having more businesses, so that they can compete and the people can choose.

It's no accident that the most "capitalist" countries are the most democratic. In fact, it's fundamental.

Colonialism?

Just be careful that the EU itself doesn't become the oppressor.

John

OK. I'm for that, albeit in a true Free society, there's no need for rulers, so democracy is moot. "Cracy" means "rule", or something like that, doesn't it? So cracy is moot.

Although, if some people decide they need a road, somebody has to figure out where it should go, put together work crews, and all that sort of crap.

Of course, once we manifest Heaven on Earth, we won't need roads, because everybody will be able to levitate to wherever they want to go. ;-)

Or, what the heck - you won't need to go very far to do what you want, associate with whom you please, and all of the other benefits concomitant with Free Will.

But first, we have to kill all of the lawyers, politicians, military despots, and religious fanatics.

Cheers! Rich

Maybe you haven't been paying attention. Having big piles of money affords a Hell of an advantage in "controlling" pretty much whatever they want to.

Us downtrodden want our moment in the sun before we're worked to death, thank you very much.

Thanks, Rich

Well, I've got ideas coming out my ass - apparently things don't work the same as they did in Henry's day.

Thanks, Rich

And when do you know to stop?

John

When only Rich and Roger and those of their ilk are left... they are the chosen people... sort of like Demoncrats ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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I can see it... the final scene... only Rich and RSW are left, facing each other on a hill, in the smoke of the ruins, armed to the teeth...

Heroes.

John