Does anyone know the minimum +/- voltage these chips will run at?
And does anyone want to take a guess at what specs will be degraded at low voltage?
As a last question: Is there a cheap to medium priced alternative anywhere? - the LT chip (just one amp which is OK for me) costs $75 per chip!
A cheerful hello! and TIA to all
Yikes, OTA! Blast from the past. What are you going to do with this?
One app on the data sheet shows +-5 supplies.
LT chip? A real LM13600 is fairly cheap.
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Nice, linear, low distortion, variable gain (must be linear)
I didn't see that one - I must look harder - I can live with +/- 5v
An OTA is basically just a differential pair front end and four to six current mirrors in a package. (Unless I've miscounted.) AFAICT, very roughly it should be okay down to about 5*V_BE, i.e. 3 to 3.5V, if you don't insist on all the specs being met. But the actual IC designers on the group will be able to give better info.
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Good guess. You need a minimum of +2*Vbe for the positive rail and
-3*Vbe for the negative rail for all mirrors to be happy.
As for linearity I don't know off the top of my head... Tom Frederiksen and Leroy Long did that chip. ...Jim Thompson
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Thanks all!
David, I ran across an AppNote that's essentially the same device...
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Wow, the LM3900--there's a blast from the past.
A Norton amp is a weird mutation that I've yet to find a real use for, unlike OTAs. They're really quite distinct: a Norton is a crappy op amp with a weird asymmetrical input structure and a voltage output, whereas an OTA has a symmetrical input and a current output.
Way back in the day, like 1972, the 3900 had a fairly decent speed advantage over most contemporary op amps, maybe all except the LM318. National pushed it (and its equally dubious successor, the LM359) fairly hard as a building block for stuff like tachometers and filters. Every time I thought of using one, though, its crummy input specs and really horrible noise (especially the 359) brought me up short.
Quite a different matter from an OTA.
Various folks, notably VTC, made much faster OTAs, but they never achieved enough market penetration to survive. I still have a few VA713
70 MHz OTAs in the drawer. TI makes a couple of parts they call OTAs but aren't.Cheers
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Certainly a blast form the past. That was the first version Tom Frederiksen and Leroy Long came up with... after they departed SPD for National. ...Jim Thompson
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And the obvious...Why not just buy a modern VGA amp?
around $4
Kevin Aylward B.Sc.
Assuming it's fast enough for the job. It's a nice chip, but it's pretty much audio only. Even the LM13700 is a 2 MHz chip at higher bias currents, whereas the SSM2018 starts rolling off at a couple of hundred kilohertz (Fig 15).
Sometimes it would be really nice to have some of those 50-100 MHz class OTAs like the VA713.
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Its around $10 here - the slightly better version is $12. It is nice though. I'd have to check how well it works at +/- 5v. Thanks.
Thanks Jim,
Section 3.6 look right - DC gain control. I've got a bit to work through now.
I think I still have a LM3900 or two (IC's not individual amps). They were the first op amps I used. While still a school boy I bought one - it was a
3900 or a 741 and the 3900 came 4 to a package. It was just a pity that I didn't realize the significance of the "norton" bit in the description. After I powered it up the insides much have been almost molten by the time I figured out something was wrong. Very sturdy chip though, when I got it figured out (with help) the chip still worked.ElectronDepot website is not affiliated with any of the manufacturers or service providers discussed here. All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.