Levitton Decora switches with Neon Night Light (phantom load current)

Jul 21, 2008 2 Replies

I have just installed a pair of attic exhaust fans and am using a pair of Levitton Decora switches. These are the type that has a neon lamp to indicate when the switch is off. In this case, I had hoped that when the load was off (thermostatically controlled fans, mechanical thermostat) that the neon light would be off as well.



As it turns out, with the load on, the neon was quite visible if I opened the switch. Now it is night, the fans are off (confirmed with my clamp on ammeter) and the neon lights are on, bright enough to be seen with the garage light on.



Is this due to capacitance of the fan runs (40 and 100 feet)?



I had hoped they would turn off with the load. I am adding a timer to the circuit so that I can restrict the runtime. The switches were for turning off in the winter and the lights were to indicate if the temperature warranted turning the fan on. Now I don't think I can tell except the way I have been doing it with the temporary lash up, using a clamp on ammeter.



The switches have only a line, load and ground terminals, no return to neutral, so I expect the neon is in parallel with the switch contacts.



Any solutions?



I have thought this through a bit more. I found on the web, a claim that



14-2 Romex has 21 pf per foot capacitance. I have 12-2 Romex. For the sake of argument, 12-2 has 25 pf/ft. If so I have 2500 pf at the load end of the switch. If I calculate the Xc (at 60 Hz) it appears to be a load of 1.06 meg ohms. This being the case, I could plug a 100K resistor in the back stab openings of the switch and have a 1/10 divider. The neon light should go out. The resistor should see only 140 milliwatts at
120 volts with a short circuit. I might try a 1 meg resistor first to see if that works. I will probably use a 2 watt resistor so the leads are physically substantial.

Does this sound like a good approach?


Joe Leikhim K4SAT "The RFI-EMI-GUY"© "Treason doth never prosper: what\'s the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." "Follow The Money" ;-P

You are correct that the current flow thru the neon lamp is via the capacitance to ground and neutral. If you connect the switch "downstream" of the thermostat, then the state of the neon lamp will be as follows: Thermostat ON, Switch ON, Lamp OFF Thermostat ON, Switch OFF, Lamp ON Thermostat OFF, Switch ON, Lamp OFF Thermostat OFF, Switch OFF, Lamp OFF I'm assuming that you have access to the thermostat terminals, and that the thermostat switches the "hot" side of the line. =2E Is this the behavior that you want?

Yes that is how it should work according to plan. I cannot put the switch/lamp downstream because the fan is in the attic and the switches must be in the garage. I am going to try a 500K resistor across the switch terminals to "divide" the voltage potential across the neon between the capacitive reactance of the romex wiring.

Joe Leikhim K4SAT "The RFI-EMI-GUY"© "Treason doth never prosper: what\'s the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." "Follow The Money" ;-P

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