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I assume this is 32 bit Vista. It should see 4G, so something is wrong.

Of course not. More is more up to a point. Photoshop for sure can get more RAM in a 4Gbyte environment, though note that it is a 32 bit program. I think photoshop will use about 3.2Gbytes of RAM under 32 bit windows.

The link above is the roadmap.

I run X64, so I can't speak for the cheap 32 bit vista, but they claim it does 4G. Note that you need a motherboard capable of loading all it's resources into the high part of RAM. This is generally called a memory remap.

For a new machine, you should get 64 bit vista and use 8Gbytes. More mobos can do 16Gbtyes, but that is getting expensive.

On my 4Gbyte PC (a few years old, so 4G cost money), I have about

1.4Gbytes free. I have Firefox is by far the biggest memory hog running. Google earth is next.

Yes, you are full of it. I'll bet you even have brown eyes.

You think that's funny? Its pathetic.

Do you expect the average user to do that? Even when you strip away the crap for them, they quickly install enough third party crap to bring it back to its knees. I spent most of the Christmas holiday cleaning up the computers for a local business. They were clean a few months ago, and some have a hundred browser plug ins and other memory wasters. They take a larger hard drive as a challenge to fill it up.

WHICH Vista? There are too many fragmented versions.

Sure there will. Just add concrete. I used embedded NT in the Microdyne RCB2000 series Telemetry systems. It, and all software ran from an M-Disk 40 MB solid state hard drive and 32 MB of DIMM DRAM. It booted and ran in about 15 seconds. XP would take several minutes, and Vista would take 15.

Sigh. Most embedded systems have abandoned Windows altogether. 95% of the bells and whistles in Windows get in the way of doing any actual work.

You are projecting your own limitations on others. I suppose you're another of those "My IQ is 154!" types that show up on SED. You are the typical computer user idiot who thinks they know every situation.

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Hey... don't try to copy my tradmark

which is

"vista is stupid" T

and "if you like vista, then you are stupid" T

1.5 years ago, I was assembling a gaming computer. 1GB of RAM was enough for gaming, in my opinion. But I put 2 GB just in case, as memory was relatively cheap. I have never used full 2GB of memeory in my use of the computer yet. I do not run Vista, I have XP.

Some of the address space is used for memory mapped hardware. I don't think I've seen more than about 3G available in a system with 4G RAM and a 32-bit O/S.

I am hoping that 64-bit Windows 7 will be available relatively soon, since I'm running into RAM limitations, and I'd like to dedicate a fairly fast machine with 32G or so of RAM to running such programs (and avoid Vista64-- already seen a ton of problems with running XP64 general purpose, hence the dedicated machine). A fast machine with 32G of RAM is still cheap compared to some of the engineering softare (Matlab, FEA, CFD type stuff).

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how will you achieve 32 gb ram?

my mobo has 4 slots and I can find only 2 gig chips

Sigh. Such a small mind, and so much hatred.

You are the idiot. You continue to show proof of that. I spend all my available time doing charitable work. Most of the time when I am online, I have a computer or two on the bench behind me doing a test, or installing software. Why don't you spend years confined to bed, then slowly recover from over a dozen medical problems, then get back to me? That is, if you survive. With your sorry attitude, I give you about a

5% chance.

Greedy? Then you're one of the SOBs responsible for the current economic meltdown. As far as knowledge, I continue to study electronics, even though the VA has told me I will never be able to work again.

I always used hard work with whatever cash was at hand. I didn't need greed. I started a successful business with $20 in 1970, and over half that was spent on the business license. I never advertised the business, yet it grew to more work than I could handle. I couldn't find competent help. Only greedy morons who wanted to take shortcuts on the materials & workmanship.

I have TIME. Sometimes that is worth more than money.

Actually, no I don't. I pay all my bills on time, I have never owned a credit card, and my house will soon be paid off. My truck is paid off and I have a nice place to live with a fairly good collection of tools and over 1000 books in my library.

A lame, meaningless quote from a second rate hack is the best you can do?

'Rich' isn't always about material things. Apparently you are so wrapped up in the need for money that it has blinded you to life's pleasures.

Like I said, you have absolutely no idea. The Challenger was the FIRST shuttle lost.

What cameras? Columbia disintegrated during reentry and was scattered across several states.

World's smallest violin. See it? People have been trying to help for generations, but they have come to expect handouts. Billions have bee given in aid, wells drilled, farming tools and seeds for crops, and what do they do? They won't do the simple maintenance they were taught for the pumps or farm equipment. They eat the seed, instead of planting it, because someone else will do the hard work for them or bring more food. They continue to have more kids than they can support, because they were too lazy to take the birth control pills. Some African women even made necklaces out of them. They insist in living in some of the least suitable places on earth, while they starve their kids and themselves to death. Ample proof that you can't fix stupid.

Now you are a mind reader?

You are nothing more than a gnat on the ass of the universe. I don't care what you think of me. Its obvious you don't think much of yourself, or anyone else.

50 years from now: Anyone remember Microsoft? Crickets. More crickets. Still more crickets...............................

Does anyone care? Crickets. More crickets. Still more crickets...............................

I'll give you a really easy one. How much memory can you use in a system bassed on the Exorcisor buss?

Sure you will. With more stupid quotes from Shaw?

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Many of the LGA 1366 boards support 24G now (triple channel, 6 slots), but DDR3 memory 4G isn't widely available yet. Give it a few more months.

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have to

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It might be an AMD thing, but the mobo vendors spec slower RAM if you really stuff it. I built a linux system out of a quad core AMD using an Asus M3N78 PRO with 8 Gbytes. I don't do any graphics on the system, so I used the on board video and it steals about a Gbyte. I think when the dust settles, I get about 6.5G. I have an app that uses about 5G. Anyway, past 4G they suggested slower RAM, probably due to capacitance issues.

I believe Intel puts the memory controller in the chipset, while AMD puts it in the CPU. So I don't know if Intel can handle more ram without a slow down, but it would be worth checking out.

Hey Micheal

calm down...

I was not talking seriously... but I didn't really want to aggravate you...

I thought you would catch on that I was just teasing you.

forgive me if I have made you mad of feel bad in any way...

You are a good man, and don't let anyone put you down...not even me.

I am not an insensitive idiot, although I can understand why you might believe that... since you had only these post to go along with.

Keep doing what you are doing... and I will be honest, that I wish there were more people like you around

have a nice new year...

Something to do with the chipset the MoBo uses, according to the PC manufacturer. Even motherboards need their own drivers, not all of which Vista supports properly.

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You'd be amazed at what another gig of RAM and a 7200RPM hard drive would do for it.

Give that man a cigar, for he knoweth.

You statement should be: If you've installed Ubuntu, you are too stupid to own a computer.

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 19:09:20 +0200, vista is bad for ya top-posted

My first Windows computer came with W95 pre-installed, with a Cyrix 6X86 (120 MHz, with perfomance equivalent to a 150 MHz intel, a whopping 32MB of RAM, and 4GB drive, which I partitioned into 4x 1G partitions because of the cluster size problem.

When W2K came out, I bought a copy for about $200.00, and just for S&G, I installed it on the Cyrix.

I was astonished that it installed, but wasn't surprised when it took about an hour to run what would have been a 3 min. process, but it DID, ultimately, "work". ;-)

Cheers! Rich

Exactly. Everyone conveniently forgets that XP needed 4 times the RAM that

98SE needed (and twice what 2000 needed). You couldn't install XP on your 64 meg, Pentium 2 300 MHz Win98SE machine and expect great results. You needed 256 meg RAM and a P3 500 at least.

But no, XP was *perfect* on the day it was released. There were no driver issues, no app incompatibilities, no one calling XP "a bloated 2000 with lipstick" etc. etc.

XP was just as hated when it was released as Vista is today. All the usual suspects were proclaiming that "XP was the best thing to ever happen to Linux, and the activation scheme of XP would drive users away by the millions". Yeah, that worked out *real* well for Linux!

Funny how we are hearing the same crap today.

XP didn't have a different driver model, nor did it have major compatibilities that continued years after introduction. Yes, XP is a bloated mess, even compared to Win2K. Yes, I'd still rather have Win2K, but I'll make do with XP. I will *not* make do with Vista. BTDT.

Bullshit.

M$ reneged on the strict activation rules.

You're full of shit, too.

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