Imagine How Bad the Pandemic Would Be on Universal Healthcare!

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I liked the quote "Universal health care is such a complex beast that only 32 of the world/s 33 developed nations have been able to make it work"

John (after quad bypass surgery here in Canada in May - at no additional cost to me other than normal taxes)

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I see mentions of the UK NHS in TV shows set in the 50's and it makes me wa nt to cry. Some things are just so bleeding obvious, but many in the US ca n't figure it out.

When there is so much political resistance to such an obviously good idea t he only conclusion I can find is that it has to be about the money. The US medical system is presently in a form that allows all providers to optimiz e their individual profits. So the entire system is opposed to the change.

I recall years ago Ob/gyn doctors in Maryland said they were going to leave the state unless a law was passed limiting malpractice compensation. Clea rly these doctors were not thinking of their patients.

We still have regular attacks on the ACA (Obamacare) in spite of the fact t hat the majority of the public is in favor of it. Likewise the majority ar e in favor of a single payer system. Paying for it isn't the hurtle since it would be cheaper. The hurtle is all the hands outstretched waiting to b e greased in a new system.

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Ricketty C

I think that would cost me $25.

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John Larkin

Yep, just follow the money to find out what is going on.

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It's only a good idea if you don't mind paying more and getting less, plus putting unaccountable people in charge of your decisions.

You might want to look up U.S. per capita spending on Medicare and Medicaid compared to private care before making such pronouncements.

It makes as much sense as government grocery stores. We all gotta eat, and making groceries communal would be great, wouldn't it?

Google could write an app that decides all your rations, what you're allowed to eat and how much, how much toilet paper you ought to need, etc.

We could put the Social Security Administration in charge, or maybe the IRS.

Or heck, just contract it out to Google.

Cheers, James Arthur

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dagmargoodboat

Try buying groceries on a remote military base. Between the wives and the retiries buying truckloads, there was almost nothing left for those of us on seperate rations. Just high sugar junk food.

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Michael Terrell

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e want to cry. Some things are just so bleeding obvious, but many in the U S can't figure it out.

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he US medical system is presently in a form that allows all providers to op timize their individual profits. So the entire system is opposed to the ch ange.

eave the state unless a law was passed limiting malpractice compensation. Clearly these doctors were not thinking of their patients.

ct that the majority of the public is in favor of it. Likewise the majorit y are in favor of a single payer system.

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I think it's funny that while still in a pandemic where the US arguably pro vided some of the worst care in the world and the Federal government couldn 't even get out of the way of the states to allow them to buy gear they nee ded rather than compete with them and take their orders, people would hold on to their fantasies about universal health care being bad and expensive. The reality is exactly the opposite and well documented.

I think Arthur is even more of a denialist than Larkin.

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Ricketty C

Yes, that is rather pithy :)

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Tom Gardner

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e want to cry. Some things are just so bleeding obvious, but many in the U S can't figure it out.

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The US health care system is half again more expensive per head than the mo re generous of the comparable universal health care systems - those in Fran ce and Germany.

If you don't like your health care you can complain to your member of parli ament. There no such direct way of influencing a US healthy insurance compa ny executive.

James Arthur ignores these inconvenient facts.

he US medical system is presently in a form that allows all providers to op timize their individual profits. So the entire system is opposed to the ch ange.

eave the state unless a law was passed limiting malpractice compensation. Clearly these doctors were not thinking of their patients.

ct that the majority of the public is in favor of it. Likewise the majorit y are in favor of a single payer system.

James Arthur can always find a bogus comparison that makes US health care l ook good.

system.

The need for groceries is pretty predictable. The need for health care isn' t and when you need it you tend to need it badly. And you can starve yourse lf to death without endangering your neighbours. Not taking an infectious d isease to hospital (because you can't afford to) can endanger your neighbou rs.

Not that anybody would bother.

James Arthur might be silly enough to believe that, but it's more likely on e more of his rhetorical flourishes.

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me want to cry. Some things are just so bleeding obvious, but many in the US can't figure it out.

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The US medical system is presently in a form that allows all providers to optimize their individual profits. So the entire system is opposed to the change.

leave the state unless a law was passed limiting malpractice compensation. Clearly these doctors were not thinking of their patients.

fact that the majority of the public is in favor of it. Likewise the major ity are in favor of a single payer system.

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rovided some of the worst care in the world and the Federal government coul dn't even get out of the way of the states to allow them to buy gear they n eeded rather than compete with them and take their orders, people would hol d on to their fantasies about universal health care being bad and expensive . The reality is exactly the opposite and well documented.

Larkin may even believe the twaddle he posts. James Arthur looks more like a paid merchant of doubt.

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Bill Sloman

In what way are corporate CEOs more accountable to me than the politicians I help elect?

Precisely.

The US healthcare industrial complex is quite adept at getting sheeple to believe a big lie[1]. In this case the lie is "socialised death squads".

In reality it is the medical insurance industry that operates the death squad by stopping treatment when the unfortunate individual's pot has been exhausted.

[1] If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie.
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Tom Gardner

How much is your employer paying for health insurance?

How many of your neighbours are covered by the same plan?

My point was that I paid no more or less for that operation than anyone else in my province.

Can your state make the same claim as to how it cares for its citizens?

John :-#)#

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John Robertson

Looks like you missed out on a multitude of key pieces of legislation provi ding health care coverage for COVID-19 medical expenses. We're well on our way to a $10T fy deficit.

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Universal health care is okay, but don't expect it to cost anywhere near wh at its proponents claim. It will be a factor 2x more costly- minimum. That means the tax burden will the same multiple.

National health care in most, not all, foreign countries is a godammed joke . Take Canada as an example always held up as a model for really stupid and ignorant Americans who couldn't find the place on a map if they tried. The ir federal level insurance is really skimpy- no prescription drug coverage at all. The provinces step in with their own provincial health coverage, wh ich varies from province to province, duh. You wait forever to be seen by a physician who knows you only through your file, and if you need a prescrip tion, you take what they give you, brand or generic, you get what you get. And the government has budget limitations on how much they will spend on va rious treatment categories at the start of each year. If you need treatment in an expended category- guess what?- you don't get it- better luck next y ear. Canada pretty much sucks by U.S. standards.

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For me, nothing. I'm on Medicaire now. Well, maybe they pay a little for some drug supplement or some option. $25 is my co-pay for almost anything, except one annual checkup is totally free. This is Kaiser, the plan that Obamacare tries to kill.

Lots of people have Kaiser coverage here. It's great.

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John Larkin

There was a fairly healthy tourism sector that had murkins travelling north for prescription drugs and cucks travelling south for booze and cigarettes.

Go figure.

RL

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legg

oviding health care coverage for COVID-19 medical expenses. We're well on o ur way to a $10T fy deficit.

what its proponents claim. It will be a factor 2x more costly- minimum. Th at means the tax burden will the same multiple.

oke. Take Canada as an example always held up as a model for really stupid and ignorant Americans who couldn't find the place on a map if they tried. Their federal level insurance is really skimpy- no prescription drug covera ge at all. The provinces step in with their own provincial health coverage, which varies from province to province, duh. You wait forever to be seen b y a physician who knows you only through your file, and if you need a presc ription, you take what they give you, brand or generic, you get what you ge t. And the government has budget limitations on how much they will spend on various treatment categories at the start of each year. If you need treatm ent in an expended category- guess what?- you don't get it- better luck nex t year. Canada pretty much sucks by U.S. standards.

Prescription medication prices in Canada are negotiated and regulated by th eir PMPRB, Patented Medicine Prices Review Board.

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Want to see something fall to pieces real fast? Just let U.S. increase dema nd on their supply chain by a factor of 10x. Importing drugs from Canada wi ll not work. Not to mention the big international pharmaceuticals aren't go ing let it happen, which will kill their business in the U.S.

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"I'm all right Jack."

RL

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I was reading today about the hospital ICUs in several states filling up an d having to ship patients elsewhere. The situation is clearly getting out of hand in Georgia and Florida. Georgia's Governor is not even allowing th e local governments to take effective actions like ordering the use of mask s.

What is wrong with these people? The information is there to see. Anyone with a high school education should understand the result of not taking app ropriate precautions to prevent the spread of this disease. Do these Gover nors really think this is going to help the economy???

I just hope we can hang on until the election when we can replace all these jerks.

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and having to ship patients elsewhere. The situation is clearly getting ou t of hand in Georgia and Florida. Georgia's Governor is not even allowing the local governments to take effective actions like ordering the use of ma sks.

e with a high school education should understand the result of not taking a ppropriate precautions to prevent the spread of this disease. Do these Gov ernors really think this is going to help the economy???

se jerks.

What you're seeing is the flip side of "herd immunity." It's called "herd t hinning." And the Republicans are all for it, so are a lot of Democrats bec ause it gets rid of a lot of Republicans, but they won't say it out loud.

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