Human Bias Is Everywhere in Tech

The used to tell me in elementary school America began with people in hats with buckles at Plymouth Rock in 1620 so what's the problem

"Computer Science" "Political Science"

As Phil says, and area of study that calls itself a science isn't one.

Actuarial science is very real it is the study of the works of the ancient Greek philosopher Actuaries.

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** Which Phil ?

Cos that is one of my favorite quotes.

..... Phil

I hear it from Hobbs.

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** The origin of the remark is not so simple:

Another along similar lines is the recommendation that:

" If you cannot blind them with *science* - baffle them with bullshit "

Might well be this NG's motto.

..... Phil

Phil Allison does try to live up to it. He can manage the bullshit, but he's less good at baffling people - his bullshit is a bit too obviously bullshit.

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Computer science is the real bad one.

Do you mean "computer science" like learning to develop web apps or computer science the branch of mathematics that involves the formal study of algorithms and computability?

Some of the most brilliant people who ever lived like Alan Turing and John von Neumann might have been sad to hear they weren't "real scientists" but maybe they considered themselves mathematicians.

I expect the number of users of this NG who could answer a single question on the theoretical computer science stack exchange is close to nobody:

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State University, responds to The 1619 Project?s major claims with facts.

If it's a branch of mathematics then they're mathematicians, not computer s cientists. Nobody calls Von Neumann a computer science except for pretenti ous computer scientists attempting to elevate their standing. Von Neumann's work in computer was relatively minor, if not trivial, compared to everyth ing else he did. Same goes for Turing.

Useless idiots say "We can gain inspiration from the 1619 Project ..."

"Computer Science" "Political Science"

The latter is computer science and every bit as much of a hard science as any of the others. It has axioms and works from there. Starting from the Turing machine as the simplest possible computing engine.

I don't think that is even remotely true. Turing's WWII special purpose code breaking computers were decades ahead of their time. Turing even wrote the first algorithm for a workable chess computer program with an evaluation function done with pencil and paper.

ISTR they had to fix a couple of minor errors to make the engine work and it is now available free to play against from Chessbase.

Computing was considered impure mathematics by purer mathematicians.

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Martin Brown

Library science.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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** Total bullshit.

** Like Economics then ?

** "Computing" has long been a sub branch of *applied math* !! So "computer science" is a double misnomer - it is neither about computers ( the hardware) NOR is it a science. Cos all "science" is the study of the natural world. Nothing natural about code scribbling.

..... Phil

'was' is past tense; you want 'is and always has been'

Many programs call it "Library studies" nowadays.

I guess materials science is formally called "materials science and engineering"

scientists. Nobody calls Von Neumann a computer science except for pretent ious computer scientists attempting to elevate their standing. Von Neumann' s work in computer was relatively minor, if not trivial, compared to everyt hing else he did. Same goes for Turing.

It doesn't.

"In 1936, Turing published his paper "On Computable Numbers, with an Applic ation to the Entscheidungsproblem". It was published in the Proceedings of the London Mathematical Society journal in two parts, the first on 30 Novem ber and the second on 23 December.[50] In this paper, Turing reformulated K

l and simple hypothetical devices that became known as Turing machines. The Entscheidungsproblem (decision problem) was originally posed by German mat hematician David Hilbert in 1928. Turing proved that his "universal computi ng machine" would be capable of performing any conceivable mathematical com putation if it were representable as an algorithm. He went on to prove that there was no solution to the decision problem by first showing that the ha lting problem for Turing machines is undecidable: it is not possible to dec ide algorithmically whether a Turing machine will ever halt. This paper has been called "easily the most influential math paper in history".

Fred does have some blank spots. Alonzo Church had independently published the same result marginally earlier, but his paper was a lot less accessibl e and much less influential.

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Nothing "natural" about polystyrene or Teflon either but scientists study it in what's called "materials science"

The bias is the result of a subverted USA educational system. We are witnessing in the USA the result of the Soviet subversion process, of which educational system subversion is part, that the former KGB propagandist Tomas Schuman, aka Yuri Bezmenov, warned about in his lectures he gave in the 1980's.

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Fox News casually calling for the execution of every inmate at Gitmo because they've "outlived their usefulness":

Just your normal definitely not-Soviet news channel. Uncle Joe approves