Electric Cars Require Fewer Jobs to Build

A generic calculation...

wh/mi cost assume 250 $0.12 $0.28 annual miles 15,000 annual kWh 3,750 $450 $1,050 daily kWh 10.27 $1.23 $2.87 hourly 0.43 $0.05 $0.12

mi/gal 30 $2.50 $4.00 miles 15,000 gallons 500 $1,250 $2,000

I used tabs, so maybe the columns will be preserved.

I think an average of 10 kWh per day or less than half a kW continuously wi ll be pretty easy for the grid to handle on top of what each household is c urrently using. You can get 10 kWh overnight on a 120 volt outlet.

t a Tesla Supercharger. As you can see it is a lot cheaper than gas.

So clearly many who know nothing about the facts will babel on about overlo ading the grid. Needing to scale up the grid or even any part of it by a f actor of 3 or 4 is the sort of pure fantasy that only an imbecile would sug gest.

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I won't continue debating this with you as you are just plain wrong.

We are discussing labor and the only discussion of parts is in that context. Electronic assemblies are built by machines with virtually no labor involved, certainly nothing like proportional to the number of parts.

I didn't even read further in your response because there is no value in it.

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We don't have any hourly employees.

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You obviously never read the posts of others. I clearly was referring to labor and spoke on robotic assumption of their roles on an automotive manufacturing assembly floor.

Nothing about contract manufacturing of a PCB assembly. Damn you are thick, asswipe. I even mentioned sub-assemblies.

It would decidedly appear that you are the dopey f*ck without a grasp of manufacturing processes or the tech advances therein. Humnas would already be gone from the line, were it not for the elements I spoke of.

And that was BEFORE you 'stopped reading' and spouted your horseshit, blatantly missing where I was talking DIRECTLY on the topic of labor.

You are truly stupid.

No one tried to analyze the cyclical, ultimate labor involved in the process of hand painting starting with the invention of fire which is required to make some of the pigments such as burnt umber.

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We are nearly 20 years into this century. Your comparison is not relevant to the conversation.

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in the next several years according to their own study.

s thousands of parts while electrics are hundreds. While material issues n eed to be solved for EVs to be produced in such quantities, what to do abou t surplus workers?

in the future. My guess is it will be very small, so it will have little ef fect on the workforce. Also, families will find it very difficult to rely o n EV for their sole mode of transportation.

t" I assume you mean car production? Talk to Ford who will be introducing new EVs next year. Ford will have a Lincoln SUV as well. In fact, the For d board fired the CEO in part because he wasn't moving fast enough.

sion to EVs?

ourself.

t in the pavement, burying the cable and putting a socket into the kerb.

car into them to power the heater that stops the radiator from freezing so lid.

Not yet. Give it another 50 years and a slowing or end of the Gulf Stream current. Your latitude puts you about even with Hudson Bay. Cold territor ies indeed.

You might try being a little proactive rather than trying to justify hangin g on to the past so hard. It may play out better for the UK.

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I don't know about Canada, but in Minnesota I'm told they have them.

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It is very possible that Tesla will go bankrupt or more likely be bought by a company for their technology. By 2023 Tesla will be facing serious comp etition from many sides, likely some 40 to 60 alternative BEV models. By 2

023 Tesla will most likely be selling the models S, X, 3, Y, Roadster, Truc k and Semi. With competition ramping up and competitive charging facilitie s for non-Teslas being more available, Tesla may find less demand for their cars than a company that size can make profitable. So by 2025 or perhaps a bit later, they might just be swallowed up by a big player.

I hope knowing that brings a ray of sunshine into your otherwise lonely, ti ny life.

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No, a safety issue or pay 'plan' ought to be negotiated, and if the 'management' is organized and professional, so ought their opposite number be, across the table. The phrase 'wage slavery' isn't just hyperbole.

If you don't like your job, quit and find a better one. Employers have to compete for employees.

Unions fight the natural market forces. They untimately kill their own jobs... under 7% now in the private sector. They still fluorish in government positions, because government has no competition and makes no profit.

Incidentally, unions didn't "create the weekend." Railroads did.

Who are you to tell the world how to negotiate employment/labor practices? You run your company, let others run theirs. You just love to shoot your mouth off as if you have all the answers and yet you are where you have no stake or impact on most of these issues.

Unions created proper wages and proper working conditions. In the end work ers are as much vested in the proper running of a company as management. T hey know this and it's one reason why the unions are currently in such a to ugh spot. They know jobs will have to be cut and they need to find the lea st painful path forward for the workers that still keeps the factories open . It's not all about the company.

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Don't know what you mean that EV (cars) cost more than ICE (cars.) there are ICE and EV cars at just about every price point. There aren't any pure BEV commuter cars available for sale in the US under about $30,000 AFAIK. But you can easily buy an ICE car that costs much more than a Model 3 and people will debate their relative merits. Are we comparing the out-the-door cost to build some idealized "standard car" with a ICE vs "standard car" that's a BEV? What is a "standard car"?

o produce the energy used.

and... energy.

You know, "It's turtles all the way down!"

no, the resources used are quantifiable & finite.

st level of analysis. I would be willing to bet that at the secondary leve ls below that the labor/materials/facilities/technology is pretty much the same as building any other large equipment/appliance in use today.

What counts is how it compares to liquid fuelled cars. The cost is way high er. Labour costs for any factory are a large cost factor, so even without d oing a full analysis it can be reasonably expected that much higher cost eq uals more total labour.

is faulty and produces a result that is not even a good first order approxi mation. Well, it's probably right to within an order of magnitude...

No valid basis for that pov has been offered so far.

NT

It's as valid to say it should be taxed on the basis of what problems it solves - it's a huge contributor to society.

NT

it's hopelessly scrambled.

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loading the grid. Needing to scale up the grid or even any part of it by a factor of 3 or 4 is the sort of pure fantasy that only an imbecile would s uggest.

Whoosh. The amount of extra grid infrastructure needed here in UK would be massive. The grid just does not have anywhere remotely near the required di stribution in place. It's not just a matter of peak power delivery, the pow er is also not distributed to the places where it would be needed. And ther e are both legal & practical impediments in the way of providing it, as wel l as financial.

And our grid is good & capable compared to many countries. Soviet blocks fo flats for example typically have an 8A feed (looks like aluminium bell wir e) to each flat. Italy similarly has very low domestic feed ampacity. And s o on and on.

NT

to produce the energy used.

or and... energy.

You know, "It's turtles all the way down!"

irst level of analysis. I would be willing to bet that at the secondary le vels below that the labor/materials/facilities/technology is pretty much th e same as building any other large equipment/appliance in use today.

gher.

Your first assumption that is wrong. EVs have a higher cost floor, but the models sold compare very favorably to similar cars similarly equipped.

ng a full analysis it can be reasonably expected that much higher cost equa ls more total labour.

There is your second assumption which is wrong. I'm not even going to go o ver that since it has already been beaten to death here.

s is faulty and produces a result that is not even a good first order appro ximation. Well, it's probably right to within an order of magnitude...

Other than the original data? LOL

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That can be said of EVERY energy source.

Do you ever think about what you write??

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