Electric Cars Require Fewer Jobs to Build

Rick C wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

You are dippy.

The difference is tens of pounds compared to tons of steel.

There are not tons of any of those incorporated.

I think your analysis is very no dimensional.

Mag flux and copper is where it's at, boy!

Rick C wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

Damn, boy! You are worse than Donald J. Trump with your baby bullshit.

It matters when it does, except when it goes against your declared "way it is" "facts". How special... NOT!

OK. From the cloth weaving to the frame wood gathering to the nails to the paint itself... Still less cost.

Imagine that.

Yes, you are.

You could not make a manufacturing cost analysis if your life depended on it.

Is the 'grin' supposed to make it OKie dOKie for your insults?

You are a sad case. Why don't you find a nice Trump rally to attend?

Bill Sloman wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

Folks could wirelessly charge at a medium rate at a parking space, and at certain intersections one could trickle charge wirelessly. Thereby making the final charge requisite upon daily retirement less.

All that is needed is to establish a standard for the placement of the coils.

This is where I insert my obligatory link to "I, Pencil"

I apologize that every site needs to give praise and speak of all the virtues, just page down about 1/3 to the start where it says in large print, I, Pencil By Leonard E. Read

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However the same analysis can be applied to the hand worked painting. So this is a degenerate way of looking at the issue... likely from a degenerate thinker.

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I think the vastly increased lifetime and reduced maintenance of vehicles now as compared to last century has way more influence on the demand and workforce than the change to electrical vehicles.

But surprisingly difficult in some cases.

Conservation areas. Who pays the cost - councils definitely won't since they haven't got the money for potholes :(

Of course all such problems will disappear after a no-deal brexit. (Or more likely we'll have much more urgent problems so that we don't care about such problems/solutions)

We aren't that cold.

There are a few parking meters around, 50m apart at least, and their power supply is sufficient for the parking meter, no more.

Ditto lampposts, which have been suggested and assessed.

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There would be some engineering involved to keep out road grit, or to prevent shorting when that street puddle forms after a rainstorm, or when that ice dam floods your sidewalk during the spring melt.

Where did you encounter that? As a Canadian, I've never seen parking meters anywhere in Canada that allow you to plug in to them. Plus, around here, they're replacing meters with kiosks you walk to to pay for your time in your spot.

Most places where parking meters are deployed, you're not expected to be parked long enough for your engine to get cold - generally, time limits are 1/2-2hrs.

Companies with off-street parking provide power connections for employee vehicles, but not public/municipal parking facilities.

I think most power grids assume an increase of the same order due to population growth. So it might be lost in current planning.

And you are not counting the gas you no longer use, plus the refinement, distribution, and the corn not needed for ethanol. Plus the health benefits of not burning fossil fuels, and the cost of global warming.

It directly contradicts your claim about a three to four fold beefing up of the power generating capacity. You may not like it, but it is directly relevant.

I can't immediately dig out my references, but I will. I'm going to bed now, but should be able to find the relevant links tomorrow.

That's your claim, but you really need to find some evidence to support it. From what I can remember of what I dug out, you'll be hard pressed to find it.

There's a great deal more sunlight around than we could possibly use. Using it to charge the battery in a car that is parked for 95% of the time wipes out the need for any other kind of storage.

Some changes and beefing up but nothing dramatic - you've grossly exaggerated the extra generating ad distribution capacity required.

If we don't get there, we are going to get a lot too warm for comfort. Going over to electric cars isn't the only changes we will have to make to keep anthropogenic lobal warming down to merely inconvenient levels.

wasn't any kind of environmentalist fantasy.

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It will be even fewer after Tesla goes bankrupt.

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snipped-for-privacy@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

You make folks feel that it is a goddamned shame that you do not go bankrupt.

produce the energy used.

And to supply that energy requires a lot more equipment, facilities labor a nd... energy.

This sort of analysis just leads you down a rabbit hole with no bottom. Yo u know, "It's turtles all the way down!"

Electric cars are simpler to build, so they require less labor at the first level of analysis. I would be willing to bet that at the secondary levels below that the labor/materials/facilities/technology is pretty much the sa me as building any other large equipment/appliance in use today.

It is very clear that Winfield's overly simplistic "cost" based analysis is faulty and produces a result that is not even a good first order approxima tion. Well, it's probably right to within an order of magnitude...

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  Rick C. 

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We're old fashioned. We sell things for more than they cost to make.

Globalization has made strikes, and unions, make less sense than they ever did.

nd matching upgrades to the entire power grid - at huge public expense.

One of the problems of trying to discuss anything related to EVs is when pe ople start discussing issues that they know nothing about, LITERALLY NOTHIN G. This post is for anyone who hasn't already realize there literally is n o issue with charging EVs.

It has been discussed here before that EV energy usage per car is at a leve l that in the US all charging can be accommodated during times when supply exceeds demand and so literally no electric generating facilities are requi red until the adoption of EVs reaches 100% and grows further because of pop ulation growth. Population growth will require more generating facilities anyway.

Not only can EV charging be accommodated by the existing grid, the daytime surplus of power that is starting to appear can be easily absorbed by EVs. Rather than plugging in at night, in some areas they may give away free el ectricity to charge EVs.

s 3 or 4 times more coal to be burnt.

Literally makes no sense...

such a scale in most places at a sane cost.

The batteries in question are in the EVs. This is about charging EVs, righ t??? Maybe that is why you are so off track.

icles ( not SUVs ) and use them only sparingly - else share or rent as need be.

Does anyone know what vehicles he is talking about here? I'm sure he knows , he just doesn't know how to express himself.

I won't agree that fuel should be taxed based on the issues it creates. Th e tax money should go into researching ways to prevent releasing more carbo n or cleaning up some of what is out there already.

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John Larkin wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

make.

Ask Sony how selling several millions of units of the PS3 for less than it cost to make them worked out for them.

Yo are a brainless wonder.

the next several years according to their own study.

thousands of parts while electrics are hundreds. While material issues nee d to be solved for EVs to be produced in such quantities, what to do about surplus workers?

the future. My guess is it will be very small, so it will have little effe ct on the workforce. Also, families will find it very difficult to rely on EV for their sole mode of transportation.

I assume you mean car production? Talk to Ford who will be introducing ne w EVs next year. Ford will have a Lincoln SUV as well. In fact, the Ford board fired the CEO in part because he wasn't moving fast enough.

on to EVs?

rself.

I know. The UK is pretty much doomed. They have painted themselves in a c orner with precedence and now have no way out other than by sea which is wh ere they put their wind farms.

Too bad they can't get that power to their cars. Such a waste.

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John Larkin wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

John lacks the intelligence to know how the really big companies operate.

Cincinnati Milacron was non-union throughout its existence. Other machine tool companies too. Those whom made use of the machines though (the operators not the owners) were pretty largely unionized, especially if it was for a bigger player like the auto guys or say General Electric.

It many times meant a gaurantee of specific skillsets as well.

Still needed in some circles just to keep the riff raff and fakes culled.

Still needed in others simply to keep bean counters unable to see the value in maintaining their employees' standards of living in check.

Hourly employees should be considered more of an asset than they are, and dangling the HUGE pool of able players over one's head as an excuse for only giving pay increases that do not even cover the cost of living is as characterless as the horseshit Donald J. Trump pulls.