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I noticed that violent UK crime (BBC?)has risen by 10%. Some bright spark could assume that non violent crime has risen by 90% to make the figures round up to 100%
martin
After the first death, there is no other. (Dylan Thomas)
Why is that? Most accidents are still caused by people that are not drunken. The roads are safe enough as they are. There are risks involved getting out of the house. And to staying home as well. In a car you have 99.99% less chance getting electrocuted, for starters. Interesting studies of 20 years ago... boring pieces of crap, more likely. Statistics are often crap, and summaries are the worst.
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote (in ) about 'Drinking and driving', on Thu, 21 Apr 2005:
Was there ever any independent confirmation? I suspect not. Alcohol concentrations would be at homeopathic levels after five days. The results could have been stress-induced.
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I read in sci.electronics.design that snipped-for-privacy@learning.com wrote (in ) about 'Drinking and driving', on Thu, 21 Apr 2005:
No-one has put forward such a view.
No-one has put forward such a view. The point is that hysterical concentration on the Demon Drink is inappropriate.
Your sarcastic comment is actually supported by many medical people. Over-concentration on cancer can starve other public health issues of funds, and these are not trivial issues - AIDS, flu, TB, malaria. A balance is necessary.
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snipped-for-privacy@learning.com wrote
It involves irresponsibility and incompetence, both on the part of road users and those who maintain vehicles.
On the contrary, it is worthy of much concern. Re-read the above.
You just won the bet.
sarcasm?
Sarcasm again?
You might call it hysterical, but perhaps its because drunk driving is an issue with a very simple solution? Other social problems, and diseases are not so easly cured.
Well, we know how to stop AIDS, influenza is fairly well controlled. TB is not a threat that we have no answer for, and malaria is knocked down pretty hard by the simple application of DDT. The solutions are there, we are just too ignorant to apply the cure in many cases.
Sickness and diseases kill people, and we need to work the solutions. Smoking kills the smoker, so who cares. Many deaths are attributed to one's failure to take care of one's self, and so there is no need to look for a "cure" as we know the answer.
Drinking and driving kills innoccents, and since the 'cure' is so simple, I fail to see why so many seem to not to care, or at the very least, they mock it. I guess it is because no one they love or care about has yet to be a victim.
The idea that "demon rum" is 'over-concentrated' is true in the sense that religious people make a big deal out drinking overall, but I am dissapointed to see that intelligent men have such little interest in protecting innocent people from stupid people. Its not about "demon run" as much as it should be about making certain that one person does not kill another. If we have such little concern for the safety of others, what does that say about our society?
Its true what you say about some people getting hysterical over alchohol in general, but why is it a bad thing to want to put an end to the killing of innocent people by those who drink and drive? If one stays at home and drinks or does their drugs till they die, I am okay with that, but I think it is wrong to not be concerned when the go out among the public and inflict injury and death on others because of their condition.
It is amusing tho, to watch folks stir the pot by pretending to put forth a cavalier attitude, and making out like drunk driving is nothing to worry about. I guess that is what keeps it interesting around here..
JB
Hallelujah!
Bob
Nah.... Sometimes there are just accidents. It is not always someone's fault. The great thinkers here will apply their Einstein logic and cry out that everything is under our control, but that is just in their minds and has little to do with reality. The facts are, that sometimes, things just happen, even in an automobile.
The list is endless, but start with the fact that EVERYONE has to learn how to drive. So if someone is learning, and they make a mistake from lack of experience, we call that an accident. They did not mean to do it, and it just happened. When someone gets behind the wheel when they are drunk, and they kill someone, that is not an accident. Its called a wreck, and the drunk is most likely the culprit.
Parse the meaning of the word "is" if you want to, and apply the clinton method of bastardizing the language to suit your need, but an accident is just that. Killing someone because one stupidly got drunk and then drove their car into someone else's is not an accident.
Anyway...... probably time to change the channel on this one.
JB
Indeed it is not. Living is the cause of all deaths.
Although it seems that the rare killer AIDS is starving research into thse more significant diseases.
Anyway this out of control meme thing of trying to maximise our numbers can't go on. It was 3B in the 70's, 6.5B now. Sure, I don't know what the population limit of the world is, but there is indeed a limit. If we don't start letting people die, it will be shit for the rest of us.
I vote for more smoking advertising. Currently, at £15B net tax tobacco revenues against only £1.5B net extra health costs, makes smoking a winner for the rest of us. Not to mention the more left over from Social Security for my retirement, as the smokers are popping off earlier.
Kevin Aylward snipped-for-privacy@anasoft.co.uk
There was a time when there were TV ads: "Gasoline and Alcohol don't mix", until some pundit came up with "Actually, they do, but it tastes terrible."
Cheers! Rich
Another person who derives his self esteem from knowing how to use a filter, as he cries for attention to his dim-witted action.
Who cares
Well sure there is. I am entitled to say whatever I want, whenever I want. For proof, just note that you do the same thing, only you wait till the thread is pretty much run its course, then you stick in your comments, which have virtually no reemable value.
Who cares what you think?
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JB
I think that should be murder, if you engage in an activity that could reasonably lead to the death of someone else that is murder isn't it?
Pat
Apparently they lack some sort of digestive enzyme that westerners have, no doubt due to our long association with booze. This means they just keep getting drunker, whereas "we" would pass out.
Perhaps its frustration with John "f*ck the abbos" Howard.
Cheers Terry
I will brag:
I *never* drove drunk between the ages of 15-24, where statistically we are most vulnerable. This was the result of a conscious act on my part to *not* learn how to drive until I was 24. I figured if I didnt know how to drive at all, I was pretty unlikely to drive drunk. It worked, in that I survived.
OTOH I had my motorcycle license when I was 16, and engaged in vast amounts of stupid behaviour - eg surfing (whilst pissed and stoned) on top of a 5T truck at 2am, while Andy drove (drunk) sans headlights down a steep, windy road coming back from the blue lake.
I only tried riding drunk once. It was after an engineering party at my house that got very messy (thankfully the girls present prevented any atrocities with the sheep Des stole from One Tree Hill, but it shat all over the carpet. Des took it home, killed it and we ate it the next day at a keg party). About 2am I decided to ride 500m down the road to a burger bar. Aftert falling off for the 7th time while trying to kick-start my little CG110, I realised it was a bad idea, so I took off the panties then the helmet, wiped off the whipped cream and walked (staggered really) up the road. The next day, when I finished vomiting, I was rather glad I made that choice.
Some friends and I were discussing this sort of behaviour the other day, and we had *all* done similarly stupid things when young. Miraculously, none of us died (although Andy killed a motorcyclist who hit the truck).
Cheers Terry
If I recall correctly, it was the other way round. Labour was quoting a survey (I think it was of only 2000 people) which said crime was down by 5%, the 9% increase was from violent crimes recorded by the police. There was also a criminologist on the box last night who raised the point about the survey not covering the areas (inner cities) and people most likely to be involved.
Regards Ian
One argument against drinking and driving is that you might spill some..
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I believe he's already mentioned them. ;-)
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