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Greece, Italy, Spain. Ireland and and Portugal are all in trouble, but the one common factor that made their - rather different - problems obvious was not socialism, but the irresponsible capitalism of America's banking system that blew up a massive property price bubble, which - when it burst - crippled economies around the world.

Spain,Portugal and Greece have spent the last couple of decades catching up with the rest of Europe after Franco, Salazar and the Greek Colonels had left them in a mess. Ireland was merely dirt-poor until it joined the European Union, when it benefited from a lot of regional subsidies which produced very real economic development. All of them - and Italy - did very well out of tourism, until the GFC discouraged people from spending money on foreign holidays. Socialism doesn't come into it. It may have been irresponsible of them to allow tourism to become such a large sector of their economies, but that certainly wasn't motivated by any kind of socialist creed that I've ever heard of.

Tell Warren Buffet that. I'm sure he'll change his story to match your point of view.

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You did say: "Right next to" instead of: "Ahead of", which indicates
that you were talking about population instead of population density.

Can you refute that?
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John Fields

European socialism doesn't seem to need to spend all that much on making fine distinctions. European health organisations just treat everybody, which may be one of the reasons that they cost at least 30% less per head than their US equivalent, while giving everybody the same quality of health care that only the fully insured can get in the US.

None of the socialist politicians I've voted for has looked remotely like a thug, and they've basically maintained the fabric of society in the countries where I've voted for them.

In the US, the politicians are remarkably responsive to the wishes of people who have a great deal of money, and write all sorts of sweet- heart deals into irrelevant legislation to make them even richer, but that - of course - is completely different.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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Greece, Italy, Spain. Ireland and and Portugal are all in trouble, but the one common factor that made their - rather different - problems obvious was not socialism, but the irresponsible capitalism of America's banking system that blew up a massive property price bubble, which - when it burst - crippled economies around the world.

Spain,Portugal and Greece have spent the last couple of decades catching up with the rest of Europe after Franco, Salazar and the Greek Colonels had left them in a mess. Ireland was merely dirt-poor until it joined the European Union, when it benefited from a lot of regional subsidies which produced very real economic development. All of them - and Italy - did very well out of tourism, until the GFC discouraged people from spending money on foreign holidays. Socialism doesn't come into it. It may have been irresponsible of them to allow tourism to become such a large sector of their economies, but that certainly wasn't motivated by any kind of socialist creed that I've ever heard of.

Tell Warren Buffet that. I'm sure he'll change his story to match your point of view.

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-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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Bill Sloman

Irrelevant, idiot. Your context was clearly that India exceed China in numbers (false) and close in area (absurd). I gave you a chance to save face and admit that you misspoke. Instead, you launched into your usual tirade.

Go ahead and move the goalposts. You were wrong. Just stick your tail between your legs and admit that you messed the floor.

Clueless.

More clueless drivel.

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Warmth, sunlight, water and CO2 are what make plants grow. Nitrates and phosphates help, as do potasium satls. Plants don't often suffer from any shortage of CO2, and when CO2 levels in the atmosphere are higher plants have fewer stomata in their leaves so they end up letting no more CO2 diffuse into the leaf while cutting water loss by evaporation.

Global warming is likely to shift weather patterns, and some places that get rain now won't get it in a warmer world, which will be locally catastrophic.

Nobody claims that. What is claimed is that some of the effects will be large enough to be disastrous. Complicated systems stop working if any single component is removed, so localised and specific disasters can take down the whole system

Such as?

Anthropogenic global warming is a scientific fact. It's going on at the moment, and is going to accelerate if we persist in burning every- large quantities of fossil carbon. It may be a journalistic fad, and can be expected to get progressively less attention until something dramatic happens - like the Greenland ice sheet deciding to slide off into the Atlantic, or the Gulf stream turning itself off. I'd like to see some investment in making this sort of improbable - but possible - disaster less likely.

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Fine. You were making the claim. Why didn't you post the supporting evidence if it is so easy to find?

This actually makes it clear that they aren't having trouble with groundwater supplies yet. Drought is apparently a here-and-now problem

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Bill Sloman

Scarcely an answer.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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Bill Sloman

John Larkin doesn't seem to find that highlighting his ignorance is worthwhile activity. Why am I not surprised?

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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Bill Sloman

I wasn't trying to.

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Mycelium

Nice imagery.

I just think of them as the free lunch crowd--they really think there is one (and they want everyone else to pay for it).

-- Cheers, James Arthur

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Warren Buffett's "It would appear that the vast majority of his income was taxed at the

15% tax rate applicable to long-term capital gains and qualified dividends. All other types of taxable income that exceeded $373,650 in 2010 are taxed at a 35% marginal tax rate."

Buffett pays 35% on ordinary dividends and ordinary income and short- term capital gains, just like everyone else. He pays 15% on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains, just like everyone else.

Buffett says he wants to pay more tax. Nothing's stopping him--it's just one line on the tax form. Instead, he's giving away half to charity. That is, Buffett thinks giving his money away is a better use of it, and does more good for the world, than paying tax. Buffett's no dummy.

I gave you (some of) the actual documents I use to file my taxes. Whether or not you understand them or not, they /are/ the definitive source for the /real/ rates.

-- Cheers, James Arthur

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dagmargoodboat

And India is in a similar fix with less will to do something about it.

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josephkk

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They are already seeing interesting wealth concentrating effects with 4 grandparents and some still living great grandparents doting on one = child.

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josephkk

There is no real science to it.

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josephkk

The complexity comes from having multiple groups of thugs fighting over how to provide for their supporters without letting the other groups of thugs providing for theirs.

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You blame the USA for everything that you can, bacause your emotions trump your ability to think. Or work, for that matter.

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The complexity is in determining "need," and "ability." More and more so, as more and more people compete for listing in the first category, and not the 2nd.

-- Cheers, James Arthur

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dagmargoodboat

We've noticed. You do allow your prejudices to colour your perceptions. Try to look at socialism as practiced in Germany and Sweden and tell us where the "free lunch crowd" shows up.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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Bill Sloman

^^^ =A0 Political!

The Proceedings of the National Academy of Science keeps on publishing stuff in the area.

But John Larkin and you know more about "real" science than they do. After all, most of them are mere academics, rather than practical people making money out of technology.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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And it's not my emotions that are trumping my ability to work - its the emotions of the Dutch personnel staff who think I'm revolting old.

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Bill Sloman

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