conservation of Euros

G > Sloman, Do you see yourself as egotistical, G > smarter, or superior to other people? G >

G > In the US, your arguments and reasoning G > are more typical of the occasional misfit, G > usually 17 or 18 years old and struggling G > for IDENTITY, and going for shock value. G >

G > Generally, these people lack real world G > experience, and so obsess about the G > ACADEMIC. As they get more real G > world experience, they soon realize the G > difference between academia and real world. G >

G > Did you think that the KOOK LEFT was G > populated mostly by PRODUCERS? G >

G > You claim you are over 50, yet you still G > place great stock in academic sources, G > and you claim to be an Aussie ex pat G > living off your wife in Netherlands, yet G > you obsess about economics in the USA. G >

G > Your situation as you've described it G > is a bit like a cartoon! G > A 50+ year old misfit NON-PRODUCER G > who lives off his wife and advocates socialism? G >

G > How amazing is that? G >

G > There are some American retirees who G > were cold hard capitalists but lost almost G > everything in 2008-2009 and now that G > they see themselves as recipients of G > socialistic handouts, they are more G > receptive to ideas of socialism. G >

G > How amazing is that?

Cat got your tongue, Bill? LOL

These experiments resemble cults, where they attempt to shut out REALITY and replace it with their BELIEF!

For every bunch of people actually trying this and eventually seeing the results, there are bunches of well wishers who are eventually forced to wake up to the problems such systems have IN REALITY.

I've seen coop grocery stores last for some time in Minneapolis and St Paul, depending heavily on support from the extremely liberal community around them. Shop in one and you cannot possibly miss the cult like POLITICAL beliefs that permeate everything in those places.

Coffee beans, for example, reflect a big effort to help the coffee growers who regularly get ripped off by the normal coffee companies.

I'm conservative but I actually LIKE the idea of their alternative supply chain that helps out the poor coffee farmers, supposedly breaking a monopoly and forcing the free market to help out those poor farmers.

On the other hand, when walking through the coop grocery, they have similarly politicized so many products that it gets old quickly.

Only the most CULT LIKE liberal zombies refuse to learn from the reality they discover, and refuse to acknowledge the real world limitations that came up. Usually they blame external causes.

All of this makes it even more bizarre that Bill Slowman is over 50 years old yet his political rantings have the maturity of idealistic and inexperienced

It's also bizarre that he obsesses about United States economic politics considering he claims to be an Aussie ex-pat living in Netherlands.

For a NON-PRODUCER living off his wife to urge socialism is cartoon like.

JA > You don't have the first idea what's in Obama's mandatory insurance JA > purchase and regulation bill--you're simply regurgitating--and neither JA > do you know anything about American health care, so there's really no JA > point in debating you on this.

Slowman's such an inexperienced idealogue that it's like arguing religion with a Moonie.

Come on! An over 50 NON-PRODUCER who argues for socialism?

It's a LOT like the old wimpy burger gag. "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today."

Sloman is just so plain ignorant he doesn't know what ignorant means.

Don't mind me interjecting, I'm just tweaking my filter system to make sure I get _anyone_ who "plays" with BS. I'm always pleased to note that I'm the highest standard for Slowman's disdain, but please don't feed the jerk. Let him die that most unpleasant of deaths... alone ;-)

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BS > Marx was a genius, when it came to economics. BS > As a politician, he was a dud. I do critical BS > commentary, not fanatical support. Since you BS > don't seem to be up to critical commentary, BS > you may not appreciate the difference. And BS > this is reiterating a point I made later in the BS > post to which you are responding - you BS > might go to the trouble of reading the whole BS > post before you respond to particular parts BS > of it, if you don't want to be accused of BS > text-chopping.

You are a NON-PRODUCER living off your wife and promoting socialism.

How critical can you be?

Wait, you mean as in the academic term "critical thinking", right?

You hope everybody gets past the idea that you're a a NON-PRODUCER, living off your wife and fanatically supporting socialism.

You bemoan the distrust and hostility with which outright socialism and the political thoughts of Marx are received by Americans.

After that you try to say you're not trying to ""sell"" socialism??

If it did it would die a slow, painful death for whatever it caught from Bill. :(

Taz. He destroys everything he touches.

On unions:

I know of a guy who worked at a large post office and like so many there, hated the job.

He won millions in a lottery in the 1980's.

He hated it so bad that he actually kept going to work to deliberately slack off, just to get revenge on the supervisors.

It took them an ENTIRE YEAR to get rid of this blatantly insubordinate and deliberately unproductive worker.

I had a friend who worked there for years and who got to see the spectacle play out!

Mange ?:-) ...Jim Thompson

I was just talking to Phil Hobbs about that recently. He pointed out that bad management is better than no management. At least it gets everybody pulling in the same direction.

John

Employees can walk out on zero notice, leaving projects in random states. And they sometimes do. How about some symmetry?

John

Martin, You couldn't find your own asshole using a mirror, both hands, plus an assistant.

Why should we then think you're expert "in the way that seems so common in the USA" ?:-)

You have no clue of the USA except from your propaganda source.

Jerk-off! ...Jim Thompson

I agree. Don't you have written contracts of employment?

In the UK that symmetry exists at least on paper in many contracts of employment. When I worked for a corporate I was on 3 months notice (for either side - it might have been 6 months for the company later on) and my boss when he decided to leave was forced to work out his notice.

It is a bit pointless though as someone who has signed a contract with another company and especially a competitor would have to be marched off site pretty much immediately anyway. That did happen sometimes.

Only when the move was to a non competitor could you really insist on working out the notice period less any holidays due.

Regards, Martin Brown

Yep, it's called a contract.

Our Constitution abolished slavery. I can't compel anyone to work. And if I could, I couldn't trust their quality.

How do you force someone to work? What happens if they don't? What happens if they work very, very badly?

It seems simpler to me if an employer can hire and fire at will (as we can in California) and an employee can take a job or quit as he chooses. Let people make deals.

Employment contracts are rare here.

John

When you're talking skilled labors such as engineers, that makes a lot of sense, since either party leaving has the potential to significnatly harm the other.

With unskilled labor, it's a rather more lop-sided arrangement -- Wal*Mart firing a cashier with no notice hurts the cashier a lot more than the cashier leaving without notice. This is one of the original reasons unions were formed -- mass representation, essentially the workers organizing themselves so as to be at a lesser advantage relative to their bosses.

Of course, these days most unions seem to do rather more harm than good.

And *most* employees and employers are decent human beings who don't go around taking actions that they know will unnecessarily harm the other guy anyway. You're pretty much guaranteed to be written up in your local newspaper as a dick if you lay anyone office within a handful of weeks prior to Xmas, for instance.

---Joel

Kinda like The Church of AGW.

Hope it's soon.

There is one in Burlington VT that was supported by taxpayer money. The only "supermarket" (a grungy hole, really) finally closed down so there was no grocery store servicing the downtown area. One chain wanted to come in, but wanted the same deal the co-op was offered; loan guarantees, IIRC. The problem with the co-op is that it's all *expensive* granola crunching stuff. The lower income and seniors in the city have nowhere to shop.

If you're willing to pay for that, there's nothing wrong with it. As long as it's not forced; winners and losers chosen by government.

He's over 65. Just chalk it up to ageless senility.

He likes to whine, like all leftists. He's unemployable so that's all he has left.

...and the tax payer.

What do you expect from Goofey.

Opposite management? It's not good going in the opposite direction as the guy with the purse, either.

The Church of Never Rely on Beta.

John