Climate change is already beginning to affect plants and animals that live in freshwater lakes and rivers, altering their habitat and bringing life-threatening stress and disease.
Only an idiot would believe mankind can survive on a planet devoid of wildlife.
The current WSJ has an article about penguins. Apparently the warmer climate agrees with then and they are thriving.
Dan
Warmer weather is good for the great majority of plants and animals.
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live in freshwater lakes and rivers, altering their habitat and bringing li fe-threatening stress and disease.
imate agrees with then and they are thriving.
Pollyana Larkin recycling the usual denialist nonsense.
The most recent episode of rapid global warming - the Paleocene-Eocene Ther mal Maximum, some 55.8 million years ago
demonstrates rather the reverse.
"Fossil records for many organisms show major turnovers. For example, in th e marine realm, a mass extinction of benthic foraminifera, a global expansi on of subtropical dinoflagellates, and an appearance of excursion planktic foraminifera and calcareous nannofossils all occurred during the beginning stages of PETM. On land, there was a sudden appearance of modern mammal ord ers (including primates) in Europe and North America."
A "sudden appearance of modern mammal orders" can be translated as a lot of animals dying off and being replaced from a few survivors, who turned out to be better adapted to the new condition and bred rapidly to fill the new ecological niches.
Climate change is never "good for the majority". The majority will all be w ell-adapted to conditions that no longer apply, and they will be replaced f rom selected bits of their gene pool who turn out to be better matched to t he new conditions. They won't all be better matched in the same way, so you tend to see new species appearing, adapting to new and different ecologica l niches.
-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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ive in freshwater lakes and rivers, altering their habitat and bringing lif e-threatening stress and disease.
mate agrees with then and they are thriving.
Antarctic penguins are doing fine at the moment. The changing ocean current s around the Antarctic are good for the fish they eat. The same currents se em to eroding the support for the ice-shelves on which the penguins breed, so their long term prospects aren't as good.
-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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t live in freshwater lakes and rivers, altering their habitat and bringing life-threatening stress and disease.
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ermal Maximum, some 55.8 million years ago
the marine realm, a mass extinction of benthic foraminifera, a global expan sion of subtropical dinoflagellates, and an appearance of excursion plankti c foraminifera and calcareous nannofossils all occurred during the beginnin g stages of PETM. On land, there was a sudden appearance of modern mammal o rders (including primates) in Europe and North America."
of animals dying off and being replaced from a few survivors, who turned ou t to be better adapted to the new condition and bred rapidly to fill the ne w ecological niches.
well-adapted to conditions that no longer apply, and they will be replaced from selected bits of their gene pool who turn out to be better matched to the new conditions. They won't all be better matched in the same way, so y ou tend to see new species appearing, adapting to new and different ecologi cal niches.
The best available science indicates the environment is on the verge of a s ixth mass extinction:
"Numerous factors are combining to make species disappear much faster than before, said Pimm and co-author Clinton Jenkins of the Institute of Ecologi cal Research in Brazil. But the No. 1 issue is habitat loss. Species are fi nding no place to live as more places are built up and altered by humans.
Add to that invasive species crowding out native species, climate change af fecting where species can survive, and overfishing, Pimm said."
You gents obviously missed out on fundamentals of ecosystems and food webs in high school biology.
Thriving but, highly alarmed, the penguins have enacted strict limits on SUV usage.
Can't be too careful.
Cheers, James Arthur
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n before, said Pimm and co-author Clinton Jenkins of the Institute of Ecolo gical Research in Brazil. But the No. 1 issue is habitat loss. Species are finding no place to live as more places are built up and altered by humans.
affecting where species can survive, and overfishing, Pimm said."
Huff-think: Just eliminate fossil fuels.
Half of northern U.S. and Canada wouldn't survive the first winter, and the 2/3rds reduction in food production would take out half the remaining population the next summer. Or more.
Similarly salubrious effects world-over, problem solved.
Cheers, James Arthur
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han before, said Pimm and co-author Clinton Jenkins of the Institute of Eco logical Research in Brazil. But the No. 1 issue is habitat loss. Species ar e finding no place to live as more places are built up and altered by human s.
e affecting where species can survive, and overfishing, Pimm said."
Strawman. It's perfectly possible to eliminate their use - just not overnig ht.
he 2/3rds reduction in food production would take out half the remaining po pulation the next summer. Or more.
If you were silly enough to try to do it overnight. Nobody but James Arthur would be silly enough to suggest anything quite so stupid, even as a "huff
-think". Lampoons are fine, but your have to lampoon vaguely plausible poli cies, not imagined fatuities.
Now if only we could make the effect selective, to get rid of just those id iots who post this kind of nonsenses. Sadly, the Tea Party makes life worse for everybody, not just the fools who can swallow its ideas.
>-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
James Arthur seems to have missed the news that populations seriously threatened by anthropogenic global warming has started putting out contracts on prominent denialists and denialist front organisations.
The Heartlands Institute has had to sandbag it headquarters, and penguins in bomb vests have been seen heading towards San Diego.
Always Wrong has been channelling Jim Thompson ...
-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
The Tea Party is totally reasonable--the government has to live within its (and our) means. That's common sense.
Ideally the government should ensure that each person can go about life unmolested, able to dream, innovate, and work as hard or little as they want, to best reap whatever it is from this existence that they wish to reap.
There's nothing foolish about that at all--it built perhaps the greatest country ever known, spread freedom throughout the world, and defended it at great cost.
We're not perfect, there's no guidebook on how to make this all work, but it's the best that's ever been.
Your boys, meanwhile, have slaughtered their populations whenever they've had the chance, haven't they? Messy. And they haven't produced prosperity for anyone (except themselves).
Cheers, James Arthur
Government, and its chosen allies, has its own agenda: to serve and grow government.
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government.
All organisations are self-aggrandising. The art is in keeping this tendency subordinate to the primary aim of democratic government which has to be to make life better for all the citizens it represents and administers to.
The Swedish government collects and redistributes about 55% of the Swedish GDP. This buys it's citizens a remarkably benign society - including a well-educated and productive working class.
The prospect of a well-educated working class is not one that the Tea Party would welcome ...
-- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Yep.
This is one of the best all-time short essays on the process:
Tie that in with yesterday's story(*) that global cooling deniers use more electricity, and you've got the whole picture.
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Cheers, James
Such bunk.
One of America's greatest problems is that your lot has nearly tripled our per capita spending on education, while simultaneously running the system into the ground.
We spend among the most in the world on education, the problem being your lot gets us nothing for it.
YOUR philosophy wants and creates an uneducated public.
Cheers, James Arthur
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e idiots who post this kind of nonsenses. Sadly, the Tea Party makes life w orse for everybody, not just the fools who can swallow its ideas.
sNo it didn't. The U.S. was a totally collapsed wreck by the 1930s when the government had to move in and start regulating previously unthinkable aspec ts of society. You and a bunch of others around are supremely ignorant if y ou think the "old days" were anything but a hell on earth.
And this stuff about "greatest country ever known" is particularly sickenin g. The place was a sewer compared to Europe pre-WWII, in every way.
Seek therapy or whatever it takes to shut you the F up. This same theme of the old days is particularly sickening fiction, and it's deceitful because almost no one knows just how bad the old days actually were. The best part about the old days is that they're gone. And the best part about the people living back then is that they're dead and gone, and good riddance to them.
yTake a look at all the genocide of the American Indian here. America has a trash history.
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Herbert Hoover was another one with this self-reliance stuff:
"Hoover had long been a proponent of the concept that public-private cooper ation was the way to achieve high long-term growth.[98] Hoover feared that too much government intervention would undermine long-term individuality an d self-reliance, which he considered essential to the nation's future. Both his ideals and the economy were put to the test with the onset of the Grea t Depression."
But then the going got tough, he did this, the expenditures were MASSIVE fo r the times:
"Libertarian economist Murray Rothbard argues that Hoover was actually the initiator of what came to be the New Deal. Hoover engaged in many unprecede nted public works programs, including an increase in the Federal Buildings program of over $400 million and the establishment of the Division of Publi c Construction to spur public works planning. Hoover himself granted more s ubsidies to ship construction through the Federal Shipping Board and asked for a further $175 million appropriation for public works; this was followe d in July 1930 with the expenditure of a giant $915 million public works pr ogram, including a Hoover Dam on the Colorado River.[103][104] In the sprin g of 1930, Hoover acquired from Congress an added $100 million to continue the Federal Farm Board lending and purchasing policies. At the end of 1929, the FFB established a national wool cooperative-the National Wool Marketin g Corporation (NWMC) made up of 30 state associations. The Board also estab lished an allied National Wool Credit Corporation to handle finances. A tot al of $31.5 million in loans for wool were made by the FFB, of which $12.5 million were permanently lost; these massive agricultural subsidies were a precedent for the later Agricultural Adjustment Act.[105][106] Hoover also advocated strong labor regulation law, including the enactment of the Bacon
-Davis Act, requiring a maximum eight-hour day on construction of public bu ildings and the payment of at least the "prevailing wage" in the locality, as well as the Norris-LaGuardia Act in 1932. "
Then he wanted the Mexicans gone:
"Calls for greater government assistance increased as the U.S. economy cont inued to decline. He was also a firm believer in balanced budgets (as were most Democrats), and was unwilling to run a budget deficit to fund welfare programs.[110] However, Hoover did pursue many policies in an attempt to pu ll the country out of depression. In 1929 he authorized the Mexican Repatri ation program to help unemployed Mexican citizens return home. The program was largely a forced migration of approximately 500,000 people to Mexico, a nd continued until 1937. "
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California passed an Apology Act, apparently the U.S. was kicking Mexicans south of the border whether they were U.S. citizens or not:
Hell, Obama flies a few 747s and a fleet of SUVs and helicopters, and occupies entire hotels, just to play a round of golf. Algore flies by private plane and uses way more energy in his private life than the average American.
Any bets on John Kerry?
-- John Larkin Highland Technology Inc www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com Precision electronic instrumentation
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