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It has a great deal of 'appeal to authority'. Pointing to other papers written by people he agrees with. It does contain data and facts but none of which support the central argument.

"We recognize that historically, changes to the energy system, driven at least partly by market forces,have occurred more slowly than we are envisioning here (e.g., Kramer and Haigh,2009). However, our plan is for governments to implement policies to mobilize infrastructure changes more rapidly than would occur if development were left mainly to the private market."

The authors believe in a centralized planned government solution and not in private market evolution of the energy infrastructure. They present little or no arguments to support this assertion.

The sunlight falling on a _horizontal_ surface peaks at midday.

At higher latitudes, the panels are always erected. If the peak demand is in the afternoon, aim the panel to SW instead of S.

At high latitudes in the summer, the SW facing panel will produce nearly as much as the south facing, but of course, in the winter, the sun sets before reaching SW.

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400 years is the estimate. But they keep finding more.

John

I particularly enjoyed the rarified scientific objectivity of the section entitled "Talking Points."

-- Cheers, James Arthur

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The complete lable is "Conclusions: A Personal Note - Talking Points (pdf)"

It is a bit odd of you to expect "rarified scientific objectivity" in something indexed as a "personal note" - less odd for you to pretend to expect "rarified scientific objectivity" and carefully omit the "personal note" part of the title. Such little sleighs of hand are part and parcel of your debating style.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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I expect objectivity in conclusions. Are you saying that you do not expect objectivity in the conclusions?

Dan

The most interesting part is that it really doesn't matter. It happened several times before and mankind is still alive.

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Private markets evolve to make more money in the short term. Exxon- Mobil's response to the discovery of anthropogenic global warming was to spend a lot of money on persuading the public that anthopogenic global warming wasn't actually happening.

Central government can - under sufficient pressure from the voters - be persuaded to take a rather longer-term view. If they can, we have a chance to do something about anthropogenic global warming before the progressing change in climate starts eating into our capacity to move over to renewable and sustainable energy sources.

The authors don't need to present any arguments to support this proposition. It's perfectly obvious that if central government can't be persuaded to take the initiative, our current industrialised civilisation is doomed, and very few of our great-grandchildren will live long enough to reproduce, though rather more may last long enough to curse their irresponsible great-grandparents.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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That may be how red-neck hillbillys do their research - though the necks in question would then be brown, rather than red.

The authors involved - Mark Z.Jacobson and, Mark A.Delucchi - are at Stanford in - respectively -

the Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, and the Institute of Transportation Studies.

They've got access to better libraries than I have, and presumably more in the way of research staff.

Jim would be something of an expert in ignorance - granting his huge personal collection of misconceptions - and can thus be forgiven for not knowing that I'm nowhere near enough of a narcissist or an ignoramus to be in the running for that position. My sexual orientation is also a bit too conventional to qualify me as a candidate, but that's not going to matter to Jim, who imagines that the world conforms to his prejudices.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

And Jim can't even learn to spell my name right.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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So that's what happened to those guys that used to work for Royal Dutch Shell, estimating their reserves, until someone checked their work.

And you'll work out new ways to use up what's actually there - as opposed to what the oil and gas company executives tell their share- holders is there.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

A needy village? He has deprived the land of Oz for way too long, but he's returning to his rightful position as that continent's idiot.

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That document linked pretty well admits a basic point John, I, and the esteemed Mr. Horde have made several times: that the models do not derive from any fundamental understanding of the physical systems, and so are not "models" in the true sense; but are merely the work of curve-fitting finaglers.

"The modelers can get these results only by adjusting a lot of parameters that are poorly known, such as the numbers in the model that tell how clouds are formed."

We said that years ago, so Bill called us idiots.

Curve-fitting predicts the past wonderfully, just not the future.

-- Cheers, James Arthur