Can a cell phone set off a car alarm?

Not to mention "fahrten", "einfahrt" and "ausfahrt" ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Fahren = "drive". You're probably thinking of "ficken".

"Spehro Pefhany" schreef in bericht news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

That's what *you* were thinking of, probably ;)

So you can make a complete pratt of yourself when you try and show off, forgetting the car is in gear and sending it into a fence. (In the UK and I'm guessing remote start isn't as common here as in the USA. Maybe).

Remote start for manuals is not really recommended. We have a lot of gas robbing automatics here in the states.

greg

On Thu, 25 May 2006 11:01:07 -0400, Spehro Pefhany wrote in Msg.

Especially for the neighbors. It's bad enough if in residential streets, in the winter, people first start their cars and then proceed to scratch the ice off the windows. Fortunately that habit has gone ouf of fashion in the past years. People seem to have noticed that an idling engine just doesn't generate enough heat for it to make a difference.

That ain't much fun either. I greatly prefer the speed limited highways in other countries. Street capacity and average speed are quite a bit higher when velocities are more homogenous.

robert

On Thu, 25 May 2006 15:45:45 GMT, GregS wrote in Msg.

It'll take just about as much energy as heating it in any other way.

robert

Some light aircraft have cabin heaters that run on the avgas !

Graham

Can you imagine how much more generation capacity we'd need if all cars were converted to electricity? TANSTAAFL

The heat in a gasoline powered car is free (waste heat), with the possible exception of a beetle (my brother's was *cold* in Minneapolis in the winter).

Many cars won't start unless the clutch is depressed. Remote starters are rarely used on manuals.

It could be the cellphone, but if so, it is going in through one of the sensors, not emulating the emergency button. The button transmissions are complicated modulations of the carrier. Even if the cellphone was (spuriously) radiating on a frequency detectable by the car's receiver, it would not be generating the correct [sequenced] code to set off the panic button.

Many years ago, in Minnesota, there was a friend of the family visiting with his kids. This friend also had a Volks bug; when it was time to go, he asked one of his kids to go out and turn on the car heat - he said something to the effect that "it's got a gas heater", which, since they're air-cooled, could very well have been the same thing. (the gasoline heater.)

Once, on a camping trip during cold weather, I used a propane cookstove for heat. ;-)

And if you were a smoker, you could use a bunch of those little disposable butane lighters - they're free! ;-D

Cheers! Rich

When I first read this, I thought you'd said, "when velocities are humongous."

I do agree, though, that at humongous velocity, the street capacity and average speed are quite a bit higher. ;-)

Cheers! Rich

I've used kerosene heaters in tents. When I drove an Army van towing generators and launching rails for some drone aircraft way back, the van had a heater which I don't recall ever tried using. I am pretty sure this was a gasoline 2 1/2 ton, with a gasoling heater in the rear hold. Deisel would make much more sense, but I was alway curious about that heater. I had enough worries with a shitload of batteries to maintain. My Army fatigues always had little hole in them.

greg

(SNIP previously quoted material)

I would find exceptions - such as legal drinking ages in at least some European countries!

Germany - old enough to lift and drink from a beer mug

France - old enough to lift and drink from a wine glass

And I see the USA having more problems with alcoholic beverage consumption despite laws affecting that more "Puritan" than those of France and Germany! (Although USA laws against driving motor vehicles while intoxicated, despite getting more harsh in the past couple decades, are still on the "liberal" side compared to probably most or all of Europe!)

Now, I see the USA to change its laws regarding usage of recreational drugs...

Either make them as harsh as my highschool German teacher said Germany's were (spend 2 years in "The Joint" if caught with half a joint) or make them like USA's laws regaerding most recreational laws were in 1900 - when marijuana, cocaine and opiates were *legal*! There was a time back then when Coca-Cola legally had an influencing level of cocaine! This "middle-of-the-road" business of drug laws I find to be the worst of all worlds - profit motive for criminal gangs! Minor modification towards more severe enforcement against the supply without doing so against the demand increases rewards as well as risks on the supply side - some criminal gangs get more dangerous and more criminal to enjoy the increasing reward of the higher price from reduced supply - have you heard of the "law of supply and demand"?

Meanwhile, I have found USA to be divided, among other ways, to be divided between "puritans" and "freedom-loving outlaws". And the "cold war" between these two divisions escalated during "Prohibition" - which indicated that USA had more "freedom loving outlaws" than "puritans". And the "war escalation" between these sides during the "Prohibition years" had an effect of reducing "respect for the law" on the part of a majority of Americans. Oh, on only on a semi-sidetrack: I have heard of some roots of "NASCAR racing" being transportation of back-then-constitutionally-illegal potable liquids having a significant ingredient being ethanol.

Oh yes, back in the first half of the 20th century in USA, the political party that was more on the "puritan" side was the Democrats! And, in the times around 1960, consider that back then the Republicans were truly "fiscal conservatives", and in 1960 people who had the issue of increasing military/"defense" spending (as well as in general or on non-military issues favoring higher Federal spending) voted Democrat! In the early 1960's, it was Democrats who favored tax cuts not matched by spending cuts as "good for the economy" - while in the early 1980's Ronald Reagan made that electable by the voters as being on the Republican side!

Now the Republicans are puritans in the commoners' bedrooms while being libertarian as to what happens in boardrooms - while Democrats flounder, try to get success where Republicans did, or get success where they opposed Republicans in the past, mostly catering to the bribers that see more expectation of bribing (giving campaign contributions to) Democrats tahn to Republicans.

This "overall mess" can get fixed by voters detecting and voting for qualified and "semi-qualified" politicians other than the "usual ones" that get more advertisements and as a result owe more favors! Oh, and vote in the "primary" elections!

Also, I do advise to vote for reasons other than "hot button" issues or for a contestant being able to "read the polls"!

If there is an election contest where the most-advertised distinction (even if paid mostly by one side) is taking a side on abortion or "gay marriage" or how-severely-/-how-unconstitionally to persecute whoever "witch hunts" get most favor from persecuting, I would favor whoever obeys his/her conscience more than polls or campaign contributors (higher ad output). I consider tyrants limited by conscience to have a better track record on average than rulers and lawmakers that are either (and/or for that matter) "poll readers" or "owing more favors" (to those who paid the candidates).

- Don Klipstein ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)

It is simple to verify if it is the phone or not. For a one month period, do not use or go near to the car with the mobile phone. If there is no false alarm, then put the phone back in to the car to see if the problem occurs again. If the problem occurs, repeat the test again. After the third frequency of testing, you should be able to determine if the phone is the cause.

Without an extensive costly analysis of the condition, the above would be the best and most economical way to determine if the phone is the cause.

At almost all mining sites and many constructions sites, there are signs put up warning people to turn off all 2 way radio communications devices, and mobile phones. There is a good reason for this! Mobile phones are also forbidden to use within the area of major hospitals, and on location of some industrial manufactures. There are also signs at many gas (petrol) stations, to turn off all mobile phones while filling the vehicle.

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JANA _____

Could the cell phone be setting off the alarm? It's nothing obvious, like the phone being on "vibrate" mode, and receiving a call. Could the phone be sending a radio signal that is at a frequency that sets off the alarm (like the frequency of the emergency button on the key pad)?

We had it at the Toyota dealer, but they didn't find anything (this was before I made the cellphone connection).

Thanks for any help!

DanK