As long as Apple can get away with locking things down so that even swapping parts from identical new iPhones doesn't work[*], we have a long way to go on right to repair.
Sylvia.
[*] So that downstream, we can't even use broken iPhones as a source of parts.
Apple get away with it because people buy Apple. Stop buying them and buy one you can use for spare parts. Vote with your feet and hit them in the wallet.
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Google is a publicly traded company.
It is supposed to protect shareholders interests.
Wasting money ("cost centers") is not in the shareholder interest.
In companies with proven product development, product shipment pipelines, the shareholders understand a certain amount of R&D budget is necessary to sustain profits from sales of things.
*******In the history of tech companies, tech companies do not last very long.
What you do not want, in your new tech company, is "one-trick pony".
Google is only Advertising. It's a one-trick pony.
Sure, it makes Pixel phones, but... could it cancel them at any moment ? Google has quite a cancel-culture when it comes to things other than Advertising.
Your supply of bad jokes, could dry up.
Paul
It all depends what you understand by technology.
It's a search engine company. It gets a lot of queries and has built an advertising business on top of that
It makes the Android operating system to run those phones. That represents a significant capital investment.
Your idea that it is a one trick pony isn't all that useful or correct.
People who imagine that they are experts can be pretty funny. There are enough of them to provide a lot of bad jokes.
I'm pretty sure that right to repair applies to Apple as well. It has been loosening. We'll see,
Joe Gwinn
Pah! Apple can even get round FBI requests. As much as I hate Apple, I hate the FBI even more.
Learn to use a newsreader, this goes to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-11,sci.electronics.design You're removing people from the discussion.
I hardly believe the jokes put much pressure on their server.
I wouldn't care if they went, I want better ones!
I live in Australia, where there have long been provisions in the consumer law relating to the availability of spare parts and repair facilities on reasonable terms.
In all that time, you'd think someone would have baulked at Apple's excessive repair costs, and sought a remedy before a consumer tribunal. The costs of doing so are not high, and a lawyer is generally not required.
Yet I can find nothing. I can't help suspecting that Apple always folds as soon as someone goes down this path in Australia, so as to avoid having a published judgement that would set some kind of precedent.
Sylvia.
I'm surprised Americans don't sue, I mean they can get paid for their own stupidity of spilling some hot coffee....
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Before one can successfully sue, one has to have a cause of action. Absent legislation, the fact that a product develops a fault and costs and arm and a leg to repair, does not provide a cause of action.
US consumer law seems very lacking (some individual states may be better) by comparison with Australia.
Sylvia.
People who buy Apple products have more money than sense, so yes, they throw them away. I paid £30 for a phone which almost competes with my Aunt's £300 iPhone. All she has that I don't is a second x5 camera.
On Oct 19, 2022 at 8:02:33 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote snipped-for-privacy@ryzen.home:
If you can find a tool that serves me as well for less money let me know.
Apple could rely on the fact that it's generally quite difficult for an individual to get the word out, just because there's so much noise out there.
No class actions before the tribunals, and a class action in court raises the financial stakes significantly in Australia, because the loser usually pays the winner's legal costs.
I think that would happen only if enough phones were breaking. "My phone broke, I took Apple to the tribunal, and they folded" is one thing. "Did you know that if your phone breaks...etc." is quite another. It's a bit like the spread of a virus - there have to be enough susceptible individuals available, or the infection dies out. In this case, a susceptible individual is a person with a broken Apple phone, not just someone who owns a non-broken one.
That could certainly be the case.
Sylvia.
Newspapers regularly run this sort of thing. In fact they sit in courts spying on proceedings to get a story.
Isn't that true in any country?
All phones break one day.
And it has to be an owner not gullible enough to believe it's ok for Apple to rip them off and sell them a new phone because it's ok for an old phone to be busted. Most Apple users are gullible, or they wouldn't have bought such an overpriced incompatible thing in the first place. They don't even use the proper Bluetooth standard! "You mean you want to communicate with a non-Apple user? Why?"
On Oct 19, 2022 at 10:59:12 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote snipped-for-privacy@ryzen.home:
Again: name a product that serves me as well for less.
Very interesting ! I did not know about this stereo paring thing.
But, the Alexa has an 1/8 stereo jack that I connect up to my two powered studio monitors in the lab.
The Google homes do not have an audio jack on them. And I did look at a teardown of a GH and it didn't look easy enough to make a line output so I just kept using the Alexa.
Unfortunately, I don't think that Amazon's music library is nearly as extensive as Google's is. I could be wrong, but with YouTube premium at least, it is very difficut to find a song that Google does not have.
boB
It's very easy, I did it. If you open it, there's a mono wire and connector to all three speakers (two full range, one bass) in parallel. Just connect that to your stereo's aux input. You'll hear music in mono though unless you have two google homes, since each one only has a mono amp in it. I just soldered a long dual phono to dual phono lead to it, after removing the plugs from one end.
I wouldn't know, you have to pay for it, hence I use the free Spotify. That has found everything I've asked for from every genre from Beethoven to modern Russian rave.
Do you consider YouTube Premium to be worth the fee?
What are the main advantages?
AFAIK they're (Spotify, Google, Amazon, Youtube) all £10 a month and you can listen to any song you like and download it. If you don't pay, you can only listen to genres or artists. For example, I have the free Spotify on my Google Home and can say "Hey Google, play The Beatles". I will then get Beatles music, but I can't choose the track, and sometimes I get music similar to The Beatles. I can skip tracks I don't want though. But the er.... adjusted Spotify app on my phone bypasses that :-) Both the phone and the Google Home play through the stereo for proper quality of music.
Well I just changed my Google Home from Spotify free to Youtube free, and it failed to play anything at all! I get the reply "I looked for x on Youtube, but it either isn't available or can't be played right now". Not very impressive.
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