Any hackers in here? Hack a Google Home?

One annoyance in the present environment is that *major* players issue printer and scanner device drivers that are not properly signed so that users are used to clicking the "I know the risks run it anyway" button.

It is probably easier to go after IoT devices - plenty of them have appalling security weaknesses designed in by clueless halfwits.

Windows 10 + 11 "S mode" is an attempt by Microsoft to close down the opportunity to run non-MS code on PC's running that variant. In S-mode you can only run apps that are from the MS walled garden app store.

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Fortunately it is still fairly easy to jailbreak it back to a normal full implementation where useful third party software will run OK.

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Major? I'd say 99% of drivers aren't signed. It's just another of those needless security inventions like https. So who signs these things? MS? And you trust them?

Why jailbreak it? Why not just install normal Windows?

Anyway they won't manage - Android runs in S mode but you just turn it off in the settings. No legal system would permit them not to have that option.

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and schools, I believe it is basically intended as an alternative for Chrome OS in schools

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Lasse Langwadt Christensen

I worked in a school, we used many many non-MS products. That's exactly the kind of place you install unusual apps only used in education. To limit that to MS approved ones would be f****ng absurd.

And we never used Chrome, why the hell would we do that? We used Windows. Normal Windows. The OS they would all use when they left school.

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Commander Kinsey

can just get those apps approved, stops the kids installing all kinds of junk

a lot of chromebooks used in schools, cheap and power efficient. Windows S is specifically made to compete with that

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Lasse Langwadt Christensen

By who?

Nok that's prevented by the domain server they log into. That way I can allow staff (and certain trustworthy kids) to install stuff to save me the bother.

Portable computers in schools, ROFL! They would get nicked.

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Commander Kinsey

Perhaps useful when teaching Computing, otherwise no.

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Commander Kinsey

Microsoft of course

and then you need to have and maintain that server

how many decades since you were in school?

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Lasse Langwadt Christensen

Nope, you just get constant inane political infighting over mostly useless "issues" meant to distract your attention from how little is ever accomplished!

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On Oct 17, 2022 at 9:35:24 AM MST, "wmartin" wrote <tik08c$3fpf6$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me:

How little is accomplished, and how BOTH parties are paid for and beholden to the very rich. One actually tosses an occasional bone to the people, but both of our parties are horrid.

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Like that'll happen, these are small companies writing the software who don't want to pay the fee.

The server is there anyway! Of course we have a server, so they can log on and save their work! The default on the server is to disallow things like installing, I turned on people I trusted.

In fact we had multiple servers in a cabinet. An council designed internet proxy I disagreed with to censor things, I spent half my time letting stuff through. A server to log staff on. A server to log kids on. A backup server to log kids on. A massive RAID storage unit. An internal mail server. A 3kW battery backup for all the above. And they and the desktops ran Boinc when idling. Almost everything was computerized, no playing VHS tapes through TVs on trolleys. I digitized the lot and they just played them on their classroom computer onto the smart whiteboard.

Half. Yeah we had laptops, padlocked on a trolley. But I set up loads of computer rooms classes would go to when they wanted to do computer stuff. Proper real desktops, not little play-tablets.

Stop f****ng about with the newsgroups line you troll. This goes to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-11,sci.electronics.design

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Google Home refuses to talk politics. I asked mine who would win the Russia Ukraine war and it either says it doesn't understand, ignores me completely, or gives me irrelevant information. Same if I ask it if god exists. Somebody is bribing google, I want facts not bias.

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"Tell me a joke."

The way that Assistants start, is with all the features turned on. But when the company discovers how many Amazon instances they have to run, to do the computing for natural language interaction, they rapidly shut stuff off.

This is one of the reasons that Google search results vary with time of day. The load on Google, determines the depth of search.

Paul

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I've done loads of those, and every single one is a groaner. It's like they deliberately filled it with the worst jokes they could find.

Surely the voice to text is done by the CPU inside the device?

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Commander Kinsey

Haven't you noticed how many large companies don't have their stuff checked by MS, yet you want the little ones to do it?

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Commander Kinsey

Not normally. It's my understanding, the audio is shipped out for processing.

Doing it that way, ensures really cheap devices don't need a lot of performance to work.

If the device had to do it, maybe no device could be made for less than $200. If the processing is done on Amazon AWS, then maybe I could make a $5 device some day.

But when you do it that way, you may look at the net profit and discover you've got too much functionality and need to trim some of it.

As for the bad jokes, they probably hired a guy with a PhD in Bad Jokes. A specialist who combs Readers Digest for jokes.

Paul

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I'm finding it difficult to find this out. I turned my wireless off on my router, then said "hey google, what's 2+2?". It said 4. Then I asked for a weather forecast, and it said it can't find the wifi network. At this point I thought it was only using the internet to get info like weather, but not for voice recognition. But then I asked it 2+2 again but as soon as I said "hey google" it complained about the wifi network. So I repeated the whole exercise again and this time the maths didn't work the first time, so perhaps my wifi takes a while to turn off. All I can say for certain is it understands "hey google" itself. But then I looked up

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which says "Without being connected to the internet, Google Home can't do a whole lot. You can use it as a wireless speaker for local media, but most of the useful functionality relies on an internet connection." - so if I can use it for local media, it must understand my requests to play certain tracks? And how is that going to work if mine is refusing to get past hey google with no wireless?

Tried it with my phone, and as soon as I said hey google it said "offline voice interactions unavailable".

Surely the performance required to interpret a voice is f*ck all, something like 1 core of a smartphone? If it's more than that, there must be colossal computing power at google being used, costing them loads of money. After they've sold me the google home, I don't pay them a penny. So where are they getting the money from?

Looks like it's a new thing just coming out to interpret your voice locally. Apple is going to process on the phone for example:

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then that's a phone you already own, making a home assistant with the processing power of your phone could make them cost too much.

I see no advantage in them only using bad jokes.

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You remember my comment about needing computing resources to tell you jokes...

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"Is the Google Assistant in trouble? It's true that it doesn't make any money... Ron Amadeo - 10/18/2022, 1:39 PM"

That suggests they are a bit sensitive, on the subject.

It doesn't mean the feature is going away, but just about anything is possible, including a subscription.

And it's not like it has to be that way. As they could store a large quantity of bad jokes, on a flash chip inside the speaker :-)

Paul

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It also suggests the author doesn't know what "double down" means. To be fair it is an illogical phrase, but he could have used a simpler term.

Surely you don't need much (in today's standards) processing power to take your voice and make it into words. I can't find anything on it though. I keep just finding super low power voice DETECTION chips, but that's just the bit that decides you're saying "hey google".

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Commander Kinsey

Google is making 80 billion dollars a year, why on earth would they need to cut back on anything?

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