Another Spin Doctor Bites the Dust

The glyphosate in it is safe enough. About as dangerous gramme for gramme as the caffeine in coffee. The surfactants and wetting agents in the commercial weedkiller formulations are more dangerous to you than the active ingredient. Back when glyphosate was new salesmen did drink the stuff to show how safe it was (when compared to 2,4-D or paraquat).

Well that's just it, you're not going to have the glyphosate without the surfacants. It's the combination that makes it very unsafe.

It isn't very unsafe at all unless you are a green plant!

Unless you have green skin and photosynthesize like the Venus dwelling Treens in Dan Dare you are quite safe with glyphosate.

No. It is just the surfactants that you don't want to drink. More because they are bad for your guts than anything else.

Glyphosate is amazingly benign in animals or any other life form that lacks the shikimic acid pathway. But it is very lethal to plants.

Close derivatives are being researched as safe anti malarials. eg.

The parasites are becoming immune to front line drugs again.

The real world is far more complex than a chemical manufacturer's in vitro studies can even begin to discover:

Where there are excess mycotoxins, there're cancers.

Lol! Caffeine *is* a poison! It is only safe in the small doses in most products. Drink enough of it and it can kill you.

I remember my Chemistry professor reading from the Merck Index about caffeine. It contained all sorts of ill effects and when he was done he said that if coffee and other caffeinated products were invented "today" (this was in the 70's) they would be banned.

Really? That's not what has been reported... "Acute fatal toxicity has been reported in deliberate overdose." Wikipedia with two references.

The dose *ALWAYS* makes the poison. Water will kill you if you drink enough of it as some stupid US game show comprehensively demonstrated by killing a contestant in a water drinking contest.

BTW Most of the people "killed" by taking ecstacy are actually killed by electrolyte imbalance caused by excessive water consumption too. The odd one has an allergic reaction to something else but the rest are poisoned by simply drinking too much pure water.

Not true. If you were being rational about the harm done to the population then alcohol and tobacco would be banned and caffeine, theobromine and cocaine would all remain legal.

Wiki isn't reliable on this. The acute fatal toxicity was caused by drinking a stupid amount of industrial concentrate and was due to the effects of the POEA wetting agents and *NOT* the glyphosate itself.

You should check the source material rather than the moron grade precis written by greenwash halfwits determined to ruin a good weedkiller.

Note that they say the industrial formulations containing 15% POEA ingested in concentrated form are the ones which have led to death.

By comparison paraquat is insanely toxic in all normal dilutions.

Now you are just deflecting. Either you are saying that there are no such things are poisons or you are just being silly.

You are the one who compared glyphosphate to a known poison, caffeine.

Wow, you make some absurd statements.

So are you going to drink the glass of Roundup? I think not.

Fuckwit!! Put in POEA surfactant and you will get it right!

It is used in Monsanto RoundUp and that is why I would not want to drink their glyphosate formulation.

All hits, first page of GooGull for POEA: Philippine Overseas Employment Administration.

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Nothing absurd there. Smoking tobacco is a really bad idea, and long term h eavy drinking will kill you in a decade or so.

Caffeine is fine is the sort of dose that we all use. Caffeine is metabolis ed to theobromine in the body - though I get mine directly, by eating dark chocolate. It doesn't seem to poison people either and there's a suggestive positive correlation between national chocolate consumption and Nobel priz e wins, with Switzerland being the leading example.

Cocaine is less innocuous, but if you emulate Sherlock Holmes by injecting it rather than inhaling it and wrecking your nasal membranes. It doesn't do much harm. Most of the celebrity deaths from cocaine ingestion involved ad mixture with heroin - making cocaine legal would probably mean that it kill ed fewer users, far fewer than ethanol per 100,000 users.

Den onsdag den 1. april 2015 kl. 22.41.05 UTC+2 skrev boomer#...@none.com:

have you been living under a rock?

I'll give it a go; it is s a person hired to put a positive "spin" on event, news stories, opinions etc. if need be by distorting or even making facts, occasionally by outright lying

-Lasse

I have to ask. What the hell is a "Spin Doctor"?