Albert Einstein

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Really? My impression was that he found the judicial system fallible, rather than corrupt, and that he commuted the death sentences to life imprisonment, rather than pardoning anybody.

Your notorious intellectual inadequacies probably blind you to these sorts of fine distinctions, but even you ought to be able to understand that it is more difficult to compensate someone who has been falsely convicted if they have been executed rather than locked away for life.

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Doesn't look like some mysterious confluence but a tautology. "j" is imaginary, unreal, a tool contrived to represent with one (complex) number a quantity which would otherwise require two numbers.

The trigonometry context "j" is contrived to be useful for is the unit circle, no mystery Pi is involved.

And exponential based on "e" have that characteristic *circular* curve, and IIRC can be defined by a sin + cos.

Move the one over on the other side and you can eliminate the "0".

So this looks like one of those cases where you take the same phenomena involving something (like a circle), mess with it five different ways, then find some correlation between the different observations you've made of the same thing.

The answer is "mu", since these are apples and oranges. The former equation is a truth about the character of matter and energy states of the vacuum. The latter equation is a truth about geometry.

But the latter equation about a geometric truth is abstraction derived from natural observations, and only has reality in our minds which are hosted by our brains which are made of matter which the former equation describes. Even though the former equation was probably derived with aid of the latter.

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Scott Stephens

Shockley *was* a jerk, but that didn't mean he was all

Liked to post his workers salaries, and encourage "competition" among them?

Wasn't former guv lie'in Jim Ryan's buddies taking "contributions" from illegal immigrant truck drivers to get their licenses, even though they passed no test, couldn't drive, and one of them killed a family in another state?

That's fine advice when you are here in the People's Republic! He (Ryan) also decided the judicial system was too corrupt to impose the death penalty, and pardoned all of death row, so perhaps its better to just stay off the streets =(

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It's better than that. Your description suggests that the particle does have a definite position and momentum, even if they change and we don't know what they are. But the position is not only unknown, it doesn't exist. Diffraction of electrons from a crystal depends on the electron sampling a large enough region that the arrangement of atoms matters.

The old question of classical atomic physics was why doesn't the electron radiate away all its energy and fall into the nucleus. The answer is that it already had radiated away as much energy energy as it can, it's fallen as far into the nucleus as the uncertainty principle will let it go.

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Gregory L. Hansen

"Peter O. Brackett" wrote -

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Euler may be exact whereas Einstein, like Newton, might only be approximate.

But I'll vote for DeMoivre :

e raised to the power j * Theta = Cos(Theta) + j * Sin(Theta)

which is more embracing and universal.

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Reg Edwards

Oh?

I know, I *specifically* worded it this way to avoid the common misconception that you put below.

Not according to the ensemble interpretation. The question is open.

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Note reference 2, which highlights *actual* measurements made *better* then HUP.

This may be usefull as well

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This is meaningless. There is no physical description of how a particle produces the pattern it makes. Its just how the sums work out.

This is trivial. Maxwell's Equations are *wrong*. End of story.

The correct equations that describe E&M is QED. Maxwell's Equations are just a continuous *approximation* to QED.

This is a meaningless answer. It just doesn't say anything.

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As I said, he made a terrible presentation of what should have been a good scientific study.

I do think environment accounts for most of the difference. The blacks have been their own worst enemy... their matriarchal structure reeks havoc on black males.

Here, in Arizona, with a _very_ minority black population, there are very few gangs for black males to run with, thus they end up in professional jobs just like the white peer group.

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Maxwell's equations are not wrong. Its just that nobody at the time could understand them. Far too complicated! And the predicted radio waves had not yet been generated.

But the reasoning is far better expained by Oliver Heaviside's, 25 years later, much simplified, more practical interpretation as now appears in ALL the world's educational text books but for which, self-educated genius Heaviside seldom gets the credit.

Heaviside, a hard of hearing recluse, by mathematical reasoning, also predicted the existence of the ionospheric layers via which short-wave radio propagation was to become possible.

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Inbreeding is, indeed, very bad.

I always kid my wife, that the reason we have such neat kids, is her family ancestry and mine have absolutely no overlaps... vastly different originating parts of Europe, different settlement on this side of the pond.

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Chinese are only 25% or so of the world total. We'd end up kind of a golden brown with black hair and brown eyes. They are going to have a huge shortfall of females in China, so they may end up having to intermarry. Probably mostly with SE Asian women, but I understand Russian blondes are in high demand too.

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In article , Jim Thompson wrote: [...]

Shockley said better and worse not just different. Too often he considered what us white folks had was better. Often it is not or is a trade off with a judgement call.

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YES THEY ARE. Its not debatable.

Look, dude The photo electric effect is simple *impossible* to explain using Maxwell's Equations. Period. End of Story. Finito.

Show me where "h" appears in Maxwell's Equations?

Whats this got to do with the issue?

But not by those truly knowledge in this particular matter. Those of us

*all* know about Heaviside's great contributions, e.g. the final vector form of Maxwell's Equations, operational calculus before it was known to be the Laplace transform etc...etc...

Just about every Tom, Dick and Harry go around claiming that Heaviside is unknown. Well guess what, I know about him, as do 10,000's of others. Sure, many more don't, but so what.

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Too bad, you were misleading.

Kevin Aylward's interpretation, it seems.

On first glance, the two-slit experiment seems to be intractable in the ensemble interpretation. If we think in terms of classical particles that sometimes go through one slit and sometimes goes through the other, we do not get a diffraction pattern. If the distance between slits narrows by an angstrom or two, it does not result in the considerable widening between peaks on the CCD (or whatever you're measuring with).

The punchline of quantum mechanics is that a sequence of events as in a diffraction experiment cannot be reduced to a sequence of classsical BBs whose positions and momenta are simply imperfectly known.

It means that small crystals have wide Bragg peaks and large crystals have narrow Bragg peaks, so it must matter to the electrons how big the crystal is-- they interact over extended regions, they don't just bounce off of one atom.

Guess what... QED still uses Maxwell's equations, but with the state describe by a vector in Hilbert space rather than in phase space. Promote variables to operators, slap kets on it for the operators to operate on. Most texts start with the Maxwell Lagrangian, but review the derivation and see where it says Maxwell was wrong. Greiner's text "Field Quantization" makes the similarities between classical and quantum field theory very clear.

Sure it does. It means the electron cannot make a transition to a lower energy state, and it cannot get closer to the nucleus than it already is.

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Mrs., W.C., & Strawberry...

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In article , Jim Thompson wrote: [...]

This is something more specific to US blacks than blacks elsewhere in the world. Slavery has left deep scars in both the black and white sub-cultures in the US. With any luck, someone of mixed race will someday stand up and say "Get over it! What your granddad did doesn't matter. It is what you do with the hand you are dealt today that counts."

Perhaps we should have a law requiring everyone to marry outside their race. We'd all end up chinese if we did.

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Oh... In what way?

What part of Leslie E. Ballentine, Professor at Simon Fraser University, and writer of the text book "Quantum Mechanics, A Modern Development" ISBN981-02-4105-4? did you have trouble understanding?

Or Dr Willem M. de Muynck

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Nonsense. The ensemble interpretation gives correct predictions. Period.

What has classical particles got to do with anything? Listen up dude, the ensemble interpretation, now get this, is not classical, its quantum. Classical arguments are meaningless in the ensemble interpretation.

Oh dear, you don't understand the ensemble interpretation do you.

And your point would be? Go and read the Ballentine's book if you want to understand the ensemble interpretaion before you put your foot in it again.

The ensemble interpretation does not give a classical account of why/how particles are where they are. It does not address that issue in the slightest. It jsut calculates what the results are. I think you are confusing the quantum ensemble interpretation with some other classical ensemble.

Sure, but there is no accepted *physical* way to describe how or why the peaks and troughs result. Its just the way the numbers work out from the equations. The statement says, essentially nothing. It don't give anything but the most rudimentary idea.

In a sense yes, Maxwell's Equations are derived from QED, as an approximation. Nothing changes, Maxwell's Equations simply cannot explain the photo electric effect, ergo, they are *wrong*. What part of that are you having difficulty with?

What's your point? Either Maxwell's Equations explain the photo electric effect and black body radiation, or they don't. Guess what, they don't.

Again, what's your point? Classical theory is wrong. It don't agree with experiment. So, there there are some similarities, so what.

It doesn't offer any more insight then simply stating that QM says it don't radiate. It don't say why. Its like saying the water stops flowing from the tap because its turned off. Or, like those daft TV science programs that explain water is wet because it is wet.

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Now we get into requiring to define 'wrong'! Maxwell's Equations are not universally applicable. They don't include the concept of 'particle', still less 'sub-atomic particle', and are concerned only with non- discontinuous fields (none of the partial differentials may become infinite). But within their domain of applicability they give correct results.

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I read in sci.electronics.design that Ken Smith wrote (in ) about 'Albert Einstein', on Mon, 7 Feb 2005:

The Chinese wouldn't.

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Oh, the shame of attending government schools! It's meaning is that if you use the exp form and go around the unit circle (jpi) to -1, and add

1, you get zero. Indeed a geometric tautology. My cypherin has gotten rusty =(

They are both truths, one is a truth about nature, the other a truth about truth.

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The thought that if I'm at the wrong place and time when corrupt police, prosecutors, courts and politicians need a scapegoat or whipping boy, that I might spend the rest of my life being sodomized by aids infected gorillas rather than given a lethal injection greatly comforts me. Thank-you for enlightening my inadequacy!

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