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I think more kids are going for software these days, and less are learning about real electricity. When some of us were kids, there was no software we could get at, so we fooled around with old radios and stuff.
Software is certainly cheaper to teach.
I wonder what the next 5 or 10 years will bring? A shortage of hardware designers? A glut of web/script programmers after the current apps thing peaks and crashes?
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These days? I made the jump 27 years ago, while still an undergrad.
Not... really. There's about 20-40 hours of supporting math & science classes than really aren't on the requirements list. You can get a
*degree* on schedule, but you really oughta five-year-it if you want to do it for a living.If the person just wants to do webby-this or apps-that, there might be a shortcut. but i bet they end up doing back-end, and that actually gets pretty deep.
BSCS plus an MSEE seems a pretty good foundation.
What's different now is that we were all warned repeatedly that we were gonna be learning the trade for at least five years out of school. Kids now aren't as much. We also had the rise of DOS as a shield - you could make anything work in DOS if you had the right books. I suppose Linux serves that role now. But we could fake it until we made it on DOS.
I keep thinking there will be a shortage of hardware engineers, but there doesn't ever seem to be one. The "shortages" of software people are generally pretty much political - you get Esther Dyson and her ilk lobbying for more H1B slots.
-- Les Cargill
depending on context
a baxandal tone control or whatever,
working young and you with the Phdee in chemics can make something like that a reality,
production line.
1) "Ageism" is rampant here in the states; has been for at least 30 years. One waltzes into the hiring doors of a prospective employer and after ten seconds (or less) of seeing you are old (ie: over 40), they say you are overqualified and boot you out the door. 2) How about a Wolf Pregnancy Pill that allows women to get children in just 2 months? Or a Baby Factory Deluxe Pill that does everything in a month?
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I looked up the numbers on the BLSsite, for another reason, a few weeks ago. There are something like 350,000 programmers to 170,000 engineers (all varieties). At my PPoE, I could easily keep three embedded programmers busy. There were two electronics types and four embedded programmers, so I wasn't very busy. ;-) Where I am now, the numbers are easily 10-15:1.
That doesn't change the fact that hardware types are hard to find.
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That's the situation today. What's going to happen when we retire?
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impossible
I started to make the jump but flinched at the last minute, several times, actually. I'm certainly glad I didn't go through with the change. I
*despise* C.
Cheaper to teach, not to get a shingle. BTW, 4 years was more or less normal when I was in college. Five years was normal when my brothers were in college. ABET demanded that the requirements change if they were to continue offering a BS.
I think the other way is better, particularly if you're going to say with software.
;-)
There certainly seems to be a shortage of hardware types. I get enough people calling me and I had *no* problems getting a job last year, even in this rotten economy.
depending on context
like a baxandal tone control or whatever,
working young> and you with the Phdee in chemics can make something like that a reality,
production line.
If you consider "reverse ageism" to be ageism, perhaps. ;-)
Old wives tale.
Huh?
depending on context
like a baxandal tone control or whatever,
working young>> and you with the Phdee in chemics can make something like that a reality,
production line.
On a sunny day (Tue, 04 Sep 2012 17:39:10 -0700) it happened " snipped-for-privacy@teranews.com" wrote in :
depending on context
like a baxandal tone control or whatever,
working young> and you with the Phdee in chemics can make something like that a reality,
production line.
Wrong naming, too close to 'cry wolf' and nothing came out ;-) Concorde pill?
Or a Baby Factory Deluxe Pill that does everything in
PS there could be a FTL (causality breaking) pill, where the baby is born before you had sex ;-)
(And you can decide then afterwards if it was worth it, at even higher acceleration you see your kid become president of the US, decide ....)
I have seen a documentary with Hawkins where he states time travel is not possible. His reasons are insanely stupid[1], he fails to see the bigger picture.
Man what a quack science is sold to the public these days.
[1] I am not saying possible / impossible, just that he has no clue."Jan Panteltje" schreef in bericht news:k24ab8$3j9$ snipped-for-privacy@news.albasani.net...
No need for that. There is a uturine replicator already, invented by Lois McMaster Bujold. You have still nine months to go but not to carry. Bodybirths are out.
petrus bitbyter
(...)
Actually they don't allow you *in* the door in the first place. Older workers are completely invisible.
If you are 22 and willing to work for chump change, they will bring you in for an interview. If you are 24 and will happily commit felonies for your boss's boss, you'll be hired.
--Winston
depending on context
like a baxandal tone control or whatever,
working young>>> and you with the Phdee in chemics can make something like that a reality,
production line.
Sure, I've experienced it. I've also experienced exactly the opposite, more. Why would you want to work where they don't want you?
That's probably true if you have no marketable skills.
Absurd.
view.
depending on context
like a baxandal tone control or whatever,
invented
working young>>>> and you with the Phdee in chemics can make something like that a reality,
production line.
If you are useful (namely, you will be a net asset to an employer) there is someone who will be smart enough to employ you. Small companies, without hiring rules or an HR department, is the best place to look.
view.
depending on context
like a baxandal tone control or whatever,
invented
working young>>>>> and you with the Phdee in chemics can make something like that a reality,
the production line.
My CPoE is *not* small and certainly does have an HR department (ten people, or so, down the hall), however they value experience over a couple of bux an older employee costs. They aren't unique. In fact, it was the middle-sized companies where I found the age discrimination. Again, why would I want to work there?
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We start charging $200 per hour as consultants.
That's my situation. Once you are financially secure boredom is the biggest threat.
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When I retire, I don't want to work that much. ;-)
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At $200 per, you don't have to. I can imagine not working 40 hour weeks, but still doing an intense design now and then. You can only ski half the year, and golf and cruise ships look horrible to me.
One age issue is that, if you're over 60 or something, some employers will worry about how long you'll be around (and about the cost of your health insurance maybe.) Of course, youngsters may not be around for 5 years either.
One advantage older folks have (and should mention to employers) is that we tend to value documentation more than beginners, which means that, even if we retire or die or something, we're more likely to leave good documents and procedures behind.
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