Need some help searching identification

Hi the Group,

On the following module (see the picts into the links below) I'm searching to identify the following components:

IC1: L02 BV67W Probably a PIC (?), nevertheless for sure a programmable component.

D4: 6F 42

D3: R12

D2: 6.2B or 8.2B 93 Difficult to read clearly even under the binocular.

Here are the picts:

Pile:

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Face:

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The most important is IC1.

D3 has six pins, very strange for a rectifier, my smd code book doesn't have an "R12".

Many thanks for your help. Pierre-Francois, f5bqp

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"Pierre-François (f5bqp_pfm)"
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Serial EEPROM with I2C bus, some variant of 24C02, perhaps BR24L02

npn transistor BC818-25

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Piotr Piatek

Here are my guesses. D2: 6.2 zener or tranzorber (protection) diode. C2 looks like a high voltage cap. Is this module connected to some transmission (tele) medium? It would help with a description what this module does and/or where it came from. If IC1 is a serial eeprom, there must be some logic int (or ext) to read/write it. If int, maybe d3 is some tiny cpu, if ext it may be some dual port logic. Or maybe a hall sensor? It looks like the i2c bus (from the L02 chip) is also connected to this chip, so my guess is a sensor or maybe even a unique serial number chip (check dallas, now ti)

The wires seems to be gnd,power,scl and sda.

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(google for smdcode)

If you also could remove the white label, we could try to reverse engineer the netlist and get more out of it. I see there is a lot of 51R resistors there..

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Morten Leikvoll

Le 23/11/2011 07:57, "Pierre-François (f5bqp_pfm)" a écrit :

Hi the Gang,

Many thanks for these first replies, I'll continue to investigate, your guesses are interesting and bring me on the good direction. If any other ideas don't hesitate, you're welcome.

All the bests and thanks again. pf, f5bqp

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"Pierre-François (f5bqp_pfm)"

Le 23/11/2011 15:17, Morten Leikvoll a écrit :

Hi Morten & the Gang,

I forgot to answer your question, so here it's: This small module is a dongle associates to a DVDROM which contain the update of the cartography for a car GPS.

When you open the motorized screen which flip from 90°, you have on the side of the GPS screen a 3.5mm jack socket to plug this dongle. then you insert your DVDROM to update the hard-disk of the GPS unit. The 3.5mm jack is a 4 pins jack going to the 4 color wires you can see. The 3.5mm jack isn't on the picture.

Hope you understand better the functionality of this small module. This is a key, you update once then you cannot update another GPS system... The problem is that I'm going to add from time to time some remarkable points to the cartography, then I'll update much more than once! So I need to find a way to update that dongle.

Tomorrow I'll remove that white label to do another pict for you.

All the bests pf

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"Pierre-François (f5bqp_pfm)"

On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 07:57:27 +0100, "Pierre-François (f5bqp_pfm)" put finger to keyboard and composed:

D4 looks like a dual diode with common cathode, or could it be a dual zener with common anode ???

If D3 is some kind of diode array, then your multimeter may be able to tell you where the PN junctions are.

- Franc Zabkar

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Franc Zabkar

Le 23/11/2011 11:05, Piotr Piatek a écrit :

Hi Piotr,

I've checked the BC818-25 datasheet, they're saying 6Fs for the marking, so I don't know.

Concerning the 24C02 & the BR24L02 these are serious possible candidates, however the both datasheet don't mention any marking code so I don't know either. But it's very probable it's an I2C EEPROM thinking to the function this small dongle is doing.

All the bests. pf, f5bqp

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"Pierre-François (f5bqp_pfm)"

The marking 6F looked familiar to me, because we use these transistors at work, but I think that I was wrong. It's more likely some dual diode, as Franc Zabkar suggested.

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Piotr Piatek

Here is a 6pin serialnumber IC.. Could be something similar.

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Based on your description of the board, it may be a fit.

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Morten Leikvoll

Le 23/11/2011 15:17, Morten Leikvoll a écrit :

Hi,

Here is as promised yesterday night the pict with the white sticker removed, we can see that D2 is in // with C2, so D2 could be a transient suppressor on to the power lines "just in case"?... Or a Zener at 6.2v as you mentioned earlier.

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Another pict showing the 3.5 jack:

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pf

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"Pierre-François (f5bqp_pfm)"

Le 24/11/2011 11:25, Piotr Piatek a écrit :

Hi Piotr,

No problem, the investigation is continuing... :-)

pf

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"Pierre-François (f5bqp_pfm)"

Le 24/11/2011 11:40, Morten Leikvoll a écrit :

Hi Morten,

Wouhaa! First time I see such a silicon registering tool! Today you make me less crazy than this morning! Thanks for that... ;-)

Yes and no, because each time you get a new DVDROM you get a new dongle, so the serialnumber IC isn't attached to the GPS.

May be to the DVDROM itself, could be, but the DVD production should be a mess in that case...

pf

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"Pierre-François (f5bqp_pfm)"

The pinout of the 6pin matches this

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That means its a programmed cpu sharing the i2c line on the connector. I guess it can be custom labeled (see packaging information)

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Morten Leikvoll

Hi Again Morten,

I measured precisely the D3 packaging with a caliper, and it's smaller.

1.3mm large , 2.0mm Long

The PIC10F is SOT23 packaging which is 1.3mm large BUT 2.7mm Long. On the same side of this tiny board where D3 we're trying to identify is you have D4 which is an SOT23 packaging, you can see it's bigger.

pf

Le 24/11/2011 15:17, Morten Leikvoll a écrit :

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"Pierre-François (f5bqp_pfm)"

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:47:03 +0100, "Pierre-François (f5bqp_pfm)" put finger to keyboard and composed:

ISTM that the whole thing may be as simple as a solitary I2C EEPROM.

I'm guessing D3 is a diode array that protects the clock and data inputs from ESD.

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Franc Zabkar

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 19:24:11 +1100, Franc Zabkar put finger to keyboard and composed:

It's not the same part, but it has an R12 marking:

SR12, RailClamp, Semtech, Low Capacitance TVS Diode Array:

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Franc Zabkar

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 19:24:11 +1100, Franc Zabkar put finger to keyboard and composed:

Try pulling up the EEPROM's Write Protect pin to Vcc. That should disable any writes.

BTW, there is a 51 ohm resistor in series with the Vcc input. This would suggest that the current draw of the entire PCB needs to be very low. For example, a current draw of 10mA would result in an unacceptably high voltage drop of 0.5V. According to the data sheet of the BR24L02, the voltage drop across the 51 ohm resistor during write mode would be about 60mV. That sounds OK.

256×8 bit electrically erasable PROM BR24L02-W / BR24L02F-W / BR24L02FJ-W BR24L02FV-W / BR24L02FVM-W:
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- Single power supply (1.8V to 5.5V)

- Write (5V) : 1.2mA (Typ.)

- Read (5V) : 0.2mA (Typ.)

- Franc Zabkar

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Franc Zabkar

Le 25/11/2011 09:29, Franc Zabkar a écrit :

Hi Franc,

The Semtech could be a good candidate for the function, however it has only 4 pins, D3 has 6, and D3 is much more tiny, the Semtech is SOT143

2.8mm long .

pf

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"Pierre-François (f5bqp_pfm)"

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 11:16:24 +0100, "Pierre-François (f5bqp_pfm)" put finger to keyboard and composed:

That's why I wrote that "it's not the same part". Nevertheless I suspect your part would have a similar function. In any case, what is preventing you from performing a simple test with a multimeter? AISI the circuit is essentially just an EEPROM on a stick and should not require much effort to "reverse engineer".

- Franc Zabkar

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Franc Zabkar

On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 07:57:27 +0100, "Pierre-François (f5bqp_pfm)" put finger to keyboard and composed:

Here is my best guess as to your circuit layout:

Vcc 51R 51R ___ Vcc1 ___ Vcc2 Red (4) o-|___|--+---+-----|___|---+--------> to EEPROM pin #8 R1 | | R2 | | | | | | D2 | --- z --- C2 --- A 6.2B --- C3 | | | R10 | | R11 | ___ | | ___ | Blk (2) o-|___|--+---+-----|___|---+--------> to EEPROM pin #4 51R Gnd1 51R Gnd2 Gnd

Vcc1 -+- | | - SDA 51R ^ 51R ___ D3-A| ___ Yel (1) o-|___|--------+--------|___|----+---+------> EEPROM pin #5 R8 | R4 | | - - --- ^ D4-A ^ --- C5 | | | | --+-- -+- | Gnd1 -+- Gnd2

Vcc1 -+- | | - SCL 51R ^ 51R ___ D3-B| ___ Blu (3) o-|___|--------+--------|___|----+---+------> EEPROM pin #6 R7 | R3 | | - - --- ^ D4-B ^ --- C4 | | | | --+-- -+- | Gnd1 -+- Gnd2

Vcc2 -+-----------------------+---+----+ | | | | | | R5| |R6 .-. | .-. .-. 1K | | R9 | | | | | 2K2 | | | | | | | '-' .-------V-------. | '-' '-' | | | | | | -----| 1 A0 Vcc 8 |--- | | | | | | .--| 2 A1 WP 7 |--. | | | | | | | | |--| 3 A2 SCL 6 |--)---'----)------> to D3-B via R3 | | | | | |--| 4 Gnd SDA 5 |--)--------'------> to D3-A via R4 | '---------------' | | BR24L02 | | +--'-+ | | | | .-. | | R12 | | --- C1 | 10K | | --- | '-' | | | | '------------------+----+ Gnd2

(created by AACircuit v1.28.6 beta 04/19/05

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I suspect that the pinout of D3 is as follows:

D D pin2 ---|

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Franc Zabkar

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