POLY in ng-spice

habib bouaziz-viallet wrote: : Hi all,

: POLY() sources constructions does not work from within ng-spice even : spice3f5.

: Any method to fix it ?

Please post your troublesome netlist and an accompanying session log.

Also, which version of ngspice are you using?

Stuart

Le Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:40:55 +0000, Stuart Brorson a écrit :

Hi Stuart,

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************************************** ..MODEL bd139 npn +IS=1e-09 BF=222.664 NF=0.85 VAF=36.4079 +IKF=0.166126 ISE=5.03418e-09 NE=1.45313 BR=1.35467 +NR=1.33751 VAR=142.931 IKR=1.66126 ISC=5.02557e-09 +NC=3.10227 RB=26.9143 IRB=0.1 RBM=0.1 +RE=0.000472454 RC=1.04109 XTB=0.727762 XTI=1.04311 +EG=1.05 CJE=1e-11 VJE=0.75 MJE=0.33 +TF=1e-09 XTF=1 VTF=10 ITF=0.01 +CJC=1e-11 VJC=0.75 MJC=0.33 XCJC=0.9 +FC=0.5 CJS=0 VJS=0.75 MJS=0.5 +TR=1e-07 PTF=0 KF=0 AF=1

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************************************** ..MODEL bd140 pnp +IS=1e-09 BF=650.842 NF=0.85 VAF=10 +IKF=0.0950125 ISE=1e-08 NE=1.54571 BR=56.177 +NR=1.5 VAR=2.11267 IKR=0.950125 ISC=1e-08 +NC=3.58527 RB=41.7566 IRB=0.1 RBM=0.108893 +RE=0.000347052 RC=1.32566 XTB=19.5239 XTI=1 +EG=1.05 CJE=1e-11 VJE=0.75 MJE=0.33 +TF=1e-09 XTF=1 VTF=10 ITF=0.01 +CJC=1e-11 VJC=0.75 MJC=0.33 XCJC=0.9 +FC=0.5 CJS=0 VJS=0.75 MJS=0.5 +TR=1e-07 PTF=0 KF=0 AF=1

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************************************** ..MODEL mj15001 npn +IS=6.20736e-13 BF=72.8562 NF=0.85 VAF=46.3236 +IKF=6.14416 ISE=7.83886e-13 NE=2.02748 BR=0.804829 +NR=1.30329 VAR=463.236 IKR=0.765828 ISC=1e-16 +NC=2.89666 RB=9.15604 IRB=0.1 RBM=0.1 +RE=0.000662857 RC=0.199996 XTB=1.16721 XTI=1.03483 +EG=1.05 CJE=3.40278e-09 VJE=0.4 MJE=0.85 +TF=1e-08 XTF=169.758 VTF=1.74373 ITF=0.001 +CJC=5e-10 VJC=0.95 MJC=0.23 XCJC=0.795058 +FC=0.8 CJS=0 VJS=0.75 MJS=0.5 +TR=1e-07 PTF=0 KF=0 AF=1

• Model generated on Jan 25, 2004
• Model format: SPICE3

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• Model generated on Oct 30, 03
• MODEL FORMAT: SPICE3 ..MODEL mje15035 pnp

+IS=5.81508e-15 BF=313.373 NF=0.85 VAF=40.5017 +IKF=0.897023 ISE=6.74258e-16 NE=1.04249 BR=0.958017 +NR=0.894461 VAR=148.639 IKR=7.05393 ISC=6.74258e-16 +NC=2.84461 RB=3.62039 IRB=0.1 RBM=0.1 +RE=0.000923293 RC=0.233799 XTB=2.92628 XTI=1.01325 +EG=1.17461 CJE=1.5597e-09 VJE=0.99 MJE=0.554057 +TF=1.35882e-09 XTF=1000 VTF=467.207 ITF=58.3338 +CJC=1.58888e-10 VJC=0.4 MJC=0.23 XCJC=0.786287 +FC=0.8 CJS=0 VJS=0.75 MJS=0.5 +TR=1e-07 PTF=0 KF=0 AF=1

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• Model generated on Oct 30, 03
• MODEL FORMAT: SPICE3 ..MODEL mje15034 npn

+IS=3.92866e-12 BF=260.938 NF=1.02215 VAF=15.3399 +IKF=0.160087 ISE=1e-08 NE=2.54491 BR=26.0938 +NR=1.10885 VAR=153.399 IKR=1.60087 ISC=1e-08 +NC=1.89024 RB=0.41209 IRB=0.1 RBM=0.41209 +RE=0.0001 RC=0.208002 XTB=0.897431 XTI=1.39234 +EG=1.206 CJE=1.61534e-09 VJE=0.698417 MJE=0.382854 +TF=1.03079e-09 XTF=1000 VTF=100000 ITF=42.9041 +CJC=1.04458e-10 VJC=0.441587 MJC=0.23 XCJC=1 +FC=0.8 CJS=0 VJS=0.75 MJS=0.5 +TR=1e-07 PTF=0 KF=0 AF=1

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************************************** ..MODEL mj15002 pnp +IS=7.55832e-10 BF=88.4698 NF=1.25256 VAF=10 +IKF=2.21504 ISE=3.90669e-13 NE=2.19714 BR=0.199155 +NR=1.5 VAR=100 IKR=1.95347 ISC=1e-16 +NC=2.68804 RB=4.64171 IRB=0.1 RBM=0.1 +RE=0.0128925 RC=0.0644624 XTB=2.05441 XTI=1 +EG=1.05 CJE=6.91132e-10 VJE=0.525683 MJE=0.384734 +TF=6.35722e-09 XTF=43.7456 VTF=2.08288 ITF=0.001 +CJC=4.82904e-10 VJC=0.95 MJC=0.394833 XCJC=0.80015 +FC=0.1 CJS=0 VJS=0.75 MJS=0.5 +TR=1e-07 PTF=0 KF=0 AF=1

• Model generated on Jan 25, 2004
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************************************** ..MODEL bd179 npn +IS=2.17735e-10 BF=87.3643 NF=1.21238 VAF=10 +IKF=5.92007 ISE=8.67187e-12 NE=3.34988 BR=3.54279 +NR=1.26704 VAR=1.60537 IKR=8.04318 ISC=2.88133e-13 +NC=3.98064 RB=15.3279 IRB=0.1 RBM=0.1 +RE=0.000912821 RC=0.254026 XTB=0.1 XTI=1 +EG=1.05012 CJE=5.51549e-08 VJE=0.591953 MJE=0.457535 +TF=1e-08 XTF=1.35722 VTF=0.995733 ITF=0.999983 +CJC=4.44061e-10 VJC=0.400133 MJC=0.410398 XCJC=0.803125 +FC=0.585759 CJS=0 VJS=0.75 MJS=0.5 +TR=1e-07 PTF=0 KF=0 AF=1

• Model generated on Feb 14, 2004
• Model format: SPICE3

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************************************** ..MODEL bd180 pnp +IS=1.54382e-10 BF=133.079 NF=1.177 VAF=46.3848 +IKF=0.866463 ISE=8.61588e-12 NE=3.32575 BR=3.77404 +NR=1.23009 VAR=2.96403 IKR=4.72424 ISC=2.88134e-13 +NC=3.98064 RB=14.5966 IRB=0.1 RBM=0.1 +RE=0.0153802 RC=0.210939 XTB=0.1 XTI=1.0095 +EG=1.05 CJE=5.02381e-08 VJE=0.605782 MJE=0.433555 +TF=1e-08 XTF=1.35722 VTF=0.995801 ITF=0.999972 +CJC=4.43982e-10 VJC=0.400099 MJC=0.410509 XCJC=0.803125 +FC=0.574605 CJS=0 VJS=0.75 MJS=0.5 +TR=1e-07 PTF=0 KF=0 AF=1

• Model generated on Feb 14, 2004
• Model format: SPICE3

..MODEL 1N4148 D ( IS=222p RS=68.6m BV=75.0 IBV=1.00u

• CJO=4.00p M=0.333 N=1.65 TT=5.76n )

• DEVICE = TL074

* * non-inverting input * | inverting input

• | | positive power supply
• | | | negative power supply
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• ..subckt TL074 1 2 3 4 5
• c1 11 12 4.8697E-12 c2 6 7 8.0000E-12 css 10 99 4.0063E-12 dc 5 53 dy de 54 5 dy dlp 90 91 dx dln 92 90 dx dp 4 3 dx egnd 99 0 poly(2) (3,0) (4,0) 0 .5 .5 fb 7 99 poly(5) vb vc ve vlp vln 0 7E6 -1E3 1E3 6E6 -6E6 ga 6 0 11 12 457.42E-6 gcm 0 6 10 99 1.1293E-6 iss 3 10 dc 183.67E-6 ioff 0 6 dc .806E-6 hlim 90 0 vlim 1K j1 11 2 10 jx1 j2 12 1 10 jx2 r2 6 9 100.00E3 rd1 4 11 2.1862E3 rd2 4 12 2.1862E3 ro1 8 5 10 ro2 7 99 10 rp 3 4 2.4728E3 rss 10 99 1.0889E6 vb 9 0 dc 0 vc 3 53 dc 1.5410 ve 54 4 dc .84403 vlim 7 8 dc 0 vlp 91 0 dc 119 vln 0 92 dc 119 ..model dx D(Is=800.00E-18) ..model dy D(Is=800.00E-18 Rs=1m Cjo=10p) ..model jx1 PJF(Is=117.50E-15 Beta=1.1391E-3 Vto=-1) ..model jx2 PJF(Is=117.50E-15 Beta=1.1391E-3 Vto=-1) ..ends
• END MODEL TL074

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• Descriprion

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R_R30 9 20 100k R_R40 2 20 10k R_R1 4 9 470 X_U4 0 20 5 21 24 TL074 D_D5 6 25 1N4148 D_D6 25 19 1N4148 R_R13 0 19 1k Q_Q5 11 19 22 bd140 R_R14 6 22 50 D_D1 11 17 1N4148 D_D2 17 5 1N4148 R_R7 12 16 470 R_R3 15 4 50 Q_Q1 16 11 15 bd139 R_R4 4 26 50 Q_Q4 14 5 26 bd140 R_R2 4 0 27 R_R15 0 3 1k Q_Q7 5 3 13 bd139 Q_Q3 9 16 18 mje15035 R_R9 12 18 0.5 Q_Q2 9 14 7 mje15034 R_R10 7 8 0.5 R_R6 9 0 8 R_R8 14 8 470 D_D4 10 23 1N4148 R_R5 13 1 50 D_D3 3 10 1N4148

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• Sources

*--------- V_V1 12 0 dc 36 V_V2 0 8 dc 36 V_V5 2 0 dc 0.0 ac 0.0 sin(0.0 1.0 1000 0 0) V_V3 6 0 dc 10 V_V4 0 1 dc 10

..control set filetype=ascii ..endc ..tran 0.0001 0.005 0 ..op

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ERROR in two2three_translate -- Argument to poly() is not an integer Erreur de segmentation

I'm lost !

Habib

The MacSpice transplation of the polys() is: =============================================================== MacSpice 5 -> source Test

Circuit: test

Note -- MacSpice converts spice2 'polys' to spice3 'B' sources, use 'listing physical expand' to inspect the result(s). Note -- Line 2 spice2 'poly' source converted. Note -- Line 3 spice2 'poly' source converted. MacSpice 6 -> listing physical expand test

1 : test 2 : *egnd 99 0 poly(2) (3,0) (4,0) 0 .5 .5 2 : bsp2_egnd 99 0 v=(0+v(3)*.5+v(4)*.5) 3 : *fb 7 99 poly(5) vb vc ve vlp vln 0 7e6 -1e3 1e3 6e6 -6e6 3 : bsp2_fb 7 99 i=(0+i(vb)*7e6+i(vc)*(-1e3)+i(ve)*1e3+i(vlp)*6e6+i(vln)*(-6e6))

------ : .end MacSpice 7 -> ===============================================================

I suspect that the problem with ngspice is caused by using (,) as separators which which confuse the ngspice tokeniser into thinking that (3,0) is a single token. Try instead:

egnd 99 0 poly(2) 3 0 4 0 0 .5 .5

Charles

Le Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:36:12 +0000, Charles DH Williams a écrit :

i=(0+i(vb)*7e6+i(vc)*(-1e3)+i(ve)*1e3+i(vlp)*6e6+i(vln)*(-6e6))

Thanks Charles,

This very .cir description works well with spice-opus

and not (for the moment) with ng-spice 1.5. May be Xspice extensions not may not work with ... it's very surprising, mmmh...!

Habib