Rare Apple I computer sells for $216,000 in London

Esra Sdrawkcab wrote

Corse we never ever saw anything like that from Apple, eh ?

GNOME at least will run on Solaris or *BSD. -- Joe

This is nonresponsive. The point is that Linux runs with many interfaces other than KDE and Gnome. So while those two specific programs may look sort of Windowsy (or sort of Macish, or whatever else you want to compare them to), that doesn't mean that Linux does.

You sure do like to accuse people of lying without ruling out the possibility that they are, say, mistaken, or simply disagree with you about matters of opinion, and use the all-caps word FACT for something that's pretty much an opinion.

You haven't even offered a meaningful claim here, because you haven't really defined what you mean as "bits of the Win UI". You mean, say, rectangular screen areas with defined borders? Hardly specific to Windows.

If you want to advance a claim, define some terms. Start by describing what you think makes something "bits of the Win UI" rather than "user interface elements which are substantially identical across every major UI ever seen".

Certainly, I've seen a few skins to give X window decorations that look a bit like various versions of Windows, as well as skins to make X look like Mac OS 7, Mac OS 9, OS X, NextStep, BeOS, and AmigaDOS. I am not sure that any of this meaningfully qualifies as "bits of the UI", because none of them really behave all that much like the systems they look like.

-s

You make a good point here, actually. I mean, a serious one.

I believe Microsoft's decision to build a mail client which would instantly execute code from incoming email without any sort of user interaction was, in fact, a pure innovation. No one had ever done it before that I know of.

Basically, Microsoft single-handedly invented the botnet and the email virus. Actually, I'm not quite sure that's fair. Technically, the GOOD TIMES jokers *invented* the email virus, as an abstract concept, but Microsoft was by far the first company to actually implement the necessary infrastructure.

-s

Joe Thompson wrote

Still just *nix.

Seebs wrote

Wrong.

The real point is that so much of the Win UI has ended up in *nix GUIs.

They aint programs, they are GUIs.

They look a hell of a lot more like Win than anything else.

Never said it did.

I only say they are lying when they are. I dont say that when we just disagree about matters of opinion.

That particular point is NOT an opinion, its a fact.

How odd that you havent defined a damned thing yourself.

Nope.

Having fun thrashing that straw man ?

How odd that you havent defined a damned thing yourself.

Go and f*ck yourself. You are welcome to do things any way you like. Me too.

They aint decorations. And you havent defined decorations anyway.

They aint just skins.

UI",

Your problem.

like.

Thats just plain wrong with the UI.

Hmm good point - I remember telling people that the idea of a virus that spread by email was a myth not long before Microsoft did that.

Both run on various BSDs, Solaris and Mac OS X to my certain knowledge and should be able to run on just about anything with X11 support.

They had innovations, but any in computing eh Roddles????????

Don't forget Berkeley Mail!

Nope, Berkeley and 'we' (Usenet/News) did!

Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote

All *nix. More mindless hair splitting.

there was xmas exec on bitnet in nov87 ... vmshare archive

almost exactly a year before morris worm (nov88)

the xmas exec is basically social engineering ... distributing a compromised executable and getting people to load & execute.

this is slightly different from convention for automatic execution. that grew up with various office applications that evolved on local, private, safe, closed business networks. this infrastructure was then transferred to the wild anarchy of the internet w/o the necessary safety and countermeasures (aka just reading an email could result in automatic execution)

bitnet (along with EARN in europe) was higher education network (significantly underwritten by IBM and using similar technology that was used for the corporate internal network) ... past posts mentioning bitnet &/or earn

some old email by person charged with setting up EARN:

the internal network was larger than the arpanet/internet from just about the beginning until possibly late '85 or early '86. misc. past posts mentioning internal network

I was blamed for online computer conferencing on the internal network in the late 70s and early 80s. The folklore is that when the executive committee was told about online computer conferencing (and the internal network), 5of6 wanted to fire me.

Later, somewhat as a result, a research was paid to study how I communicated ... got copies of all my incoming & outgoing email, logs of all my instant messages, sat in the back of my office for nine months taking notes face-to-face and phone conversations (sometimes went with me to meetings). This also turned into stanford phd thesis and material for some number of papers and books. misc. past posts

CHRISTMA EXEC? You had to manually save and execute it, though many did.

re:

bitnet annoucement on vmshare

tymshare made its vm370/cms online computer conferencing available to SHARE user group organization in aug76

recent post about the internal network ...

including old email about plans to convert the internal network to sna/vtam

also references old email about the executive committee being told that PROFS was an SNA application (among other things) used to justify converting the internal network to sna/vtam:

and somewhat similar discussion here ... where somebody forwarded me a lengthy log of email discussing how sna/vtam could be the nsfnet backbone

in this old post

some of the same people involved in the above referenced email exchanges (about sna/vtam for nsfnet backbone) ... were later involved in the transfer of cluster scaleup ... mentioned in this old post about jan92 meeting in ellison's conference room:

also referenced in this other email

re:

can't tell for sure whether this is going to be duplicate or not

bitnet annoucement on vmshare

tymshare made its vm370/cms online computer conferencing available to SHARE user group organization in aug76

recent post about the internal network ...

including old email about plans to convert the internal network to sna/vtam

also references old email about the executive committee being told that PROFS was an SNA application (among other things) used to justify converting the internal network to sna/vtam:

and somewhat similar discussion here ... where somebody forwarded me a lengthy log of email discussing how sna/vtam could be the nsfnet backbone

in this old post

some of the same people involved in the above referenced email exchanges (about sna/vtam for nsfnet backbone) ... were later involved in the transfer of cluster scaleup ... mentioned in this old post about jan92 meeting in ellison's conference room:

also referenced in this other email

anyway.

So was windows until NT.

Jasen Betts wrote

anyway.

Nope. And that was well after multitasking in Win anyway.

Not particularly, no.

Not really.

It sort of does.

No one denied that it was; maybe you should save the word "stupid" for times when it's applicable?

However, a "real choice" in economic terms suggests that, say, you basically get to choose which products to buy. If the only way to get a burger king burger were to buy a burger from McD's, at which point you could throw the burger out but keep the carton, then go to BK and have them put a free burger in the carton, that would not be a "real choice" the way the current system is.

-s

Seebs wrote

Yes, really. It wouldnt even cost you a cent more.

Pigs arse it does.

Its completely applicable there.

And that is precisely what you got when the alternative is quite literally free.

Corse it would be.

And thats nothing like the situation with PCs anyway.