OT: What's this type of bracket called?

On 18/10/19 12:39 am, Clocky wrote:

It is indeed. I don't see how *I'm snookered* when I'm not in possession of a *subject outline* for a course I undertook 37 years ago. I have the relevant Diploma and the list of subjects passed, that is all. Why would I keep anything more? I didn't even keep the yearbooks, of which I had six (81-86), beyond being conferred.

I do like how the Grumpy is telling everyone what subjects a DipTT would include. Shows just how little he knows about teaching and teacher training, especially in the trade area. For instance, a person doing a BEd, the full one of 4 years, will study two general aspects - teaching method and subject method, my method area being automotive, more specifically motor mechanics. Of that 4 years, approx. one year will be teaching method, the remainder will be subject method. As a trainee technical teacher, the entry requirement was an apprenticeship and an equivalent period post apprenticeship - 8-10 years total. That 10 years formed the bulk of my subject method requirement, 80% or better. That meant the bulk of my two years full time was focused on teaching method. Any subject method training was focused on *advanced trade training* which is why the course at Caulfield focused on metallurgy. Rest assured, an understanding of metallurgy rendered the teaching of welding much easier since you have a broader range of expertise upon which to draw. Even the welding skills training I had at Caulfield was at an advanced level, I learnt some fancy stuff. After all, I already had basic welding training and experience well covered during my apprenticeship and beyond. Completion of the first two years full time at Hawthorn entitled me to the CertTT. The expectation was that trainees would enter teaching already in possession of an Automotive Technicians Certificate or an engineering equivalent like the Certificate of Technology. Most trainees had this and that meant they *immediately qualified* for the DipTT at the same time as they qualified for the CertTT. The Technicians Certificate wasn't a thing outside of Victoria and I had only a couple of subjects of the CoT from Launceston. That meant I needed another 36 points of advanced trade subjects to graduate with my DipTT and these I completed at Hawthorn part time over the next 4 years and graduated in

1. That put me 4 years behind on the pay scale advancement.

After all his time at a Uni, Grumpy still can't see that, when teaching at a particular level, the teacher needs to have qualifications at least one level *above*. That is fairly general in education worldwide. if you want to lecture at Uni at undergraduate level, you require, in general, at least a Masters. Course outlines in a yearbook don't give you the full picture.

He can't possibly back up those claims. He'd need trade papers at the very least to back up his qualifications claims and I know for sure he isn't and never was in possession of those.

The *real world* is an alien concept to Noddy. His is a fantasy world where only he can be king. Have I got some bad news for him!

Diagonal tubing brace:

Channel brace:

Tubing knee brace:

Cross brace or support brace:

Tubular back brace:

I don't think you're going to find a standard or stock product that will fit your required dimensions. There are far too many combinations of length, diameter, material, finish, angle, hole size, etc, for stocking to be profitable. You'll probably end up having something fabricated.

However, if price is no object, try a "strut tie bar support" at your local (racing) auto parts supplier: It's main purpose is to keep the cantilevered front bumper on a racing car from falling off when it goes over a bump in the road: Therefore, it doesn't have much lateral or bending strength. This may be a problem if you plan to use it as a handle.

Every one, please don't put any interesting posts under this subject line as I just killed it and would therefore miss it.

If I had a mate who claimed to have some qualifications, and I believed he did, but ppl were questioning that he had any, I would simply ask him about them.. where he got them and what they entailed. that would be the normal and natural thing to do. the mere fact that grubby will not simply as his BFF about his alleged qualifications, and sight them so he can testify to them, but rather will post diatribe after diatribe in defence of knobby's claims, only tells us he is s*it scared that his BFF doesn't have any, so he doesn't want to be made to look like a fool.

that was very well said!

I have a feeling Grumpy knows what the reality is. I mean, he couldn't be *that stupid*, could he?

Indeed!

The real world is proving somewhat of a challenge for Noddy.

I also completed my Diploma of Technical Teaching through Hawthorn Institute of Education (later absorbed in Swinburn University) in the mid-80's

At the time, I was teaching Electronics Apprentices at the Army Apprentice School, Bonegilla, on the Hume Weir, and, each Wednesday, a couple of HIE Instructors would come up to Bonegilla to run classes for a group of about 20 - 25 Electronics, Electrical, Motor Mechs, Metal Workers and Carpenter & Joiners Instructors.

During "School Term Holidays", we would go down to Melbourne for a weeks 'intensive' training and excursions ... even a trip to GMH's Fisherman's Bend plant where, amongst other things, we saw engine blocks being "run in", several minutes at max revs .... 'dry', i.e. Red Hot!! When the siren went off, you soon knew it meant another block hadn't made the grade!!

I don't quite know what our trip to the National Gallery of Victoria was supposed to teach us!! Maybe seeing all that Art and stuff would take some of the Tradies rough edges off, or something!!

I completed the Cert TT in 81-82. It then took me a four more years to get the Dip TT graduating in 87. Had I already possessed the Automotive Technicians Certificate, I would have had the Dip TT at the end of 82 - and started on a higher pay scale to boot.

BTW, HIE was absorbed into Melbourne Uni. They had some sort of affiliation but later went the full amalgamation process.

One of those would have possibly been Bart Pridmore. Another might have been Ray Retell. Might have been a Martin Busby in the mix. They were the three automotive instructors at HIE that I recall. Frankly, I am amazed I can remember them at all.

For the record, my posting was to have been Bonegilla at the end of 82 but my wife had an ectopic during the August hols. As a result, she needed to remain within cooee of the Royal Women's Hospital so I swapped postings with a fellow SI, can't recall his name, who was posted to Sunshine. I ended up in Sunshine (again - was a 1st year SI there) and he went to Bonegilla in my stead. Later, when TAFE was separating from the education department, I applied for a position at Richmond. That turned out far more favourable than Bonegilla would have been. BTW, Sunshine Tech was where electronics was taught to apprentices. I knew all the chaps in that department but can only recall a Mick Morambito.

Some of that testing ended up being done at Richmond TAFE. When the new campus was built at Cremorne Street, it included a chassis dyno and a full engine dyno setup. The engine dyno was idle for a considerable percentage of time so its use was contracted out. The college won the contract to do the GM family II engine testing - a programmed series of idling, acceleration, WOT full load running, cruise, deceleration, etc. The intent wasn't to run them in or run to destruction but, instead, simulate real world running on the highway. Still had the odd blow up. One such blow up took out the dyno for a time.

Some of the tradies had some really rough edges. ;-) I went through with two groups, commenced Feb 81, totalling 30 automotive tradies in all the various areas; motor mechs, panel beating, auto electrical, etc. Ten or more ended up being posted to Richmond so I was in familiar company during my time at Richmond. It was a huge automotive only TAFE college and motor mechs alone had 47 teaching staff.

I don't know what you were looking at, but I can assure you it *wasn't* "running in engines".

Holden, like many others, used to test fire engines on the assembly line (usually on natural gas) where they would have their oil pressure checked and their ignition timing finally set before the engine was passed as "fit" to be installed in a car, but that hasn't happened in decades. These days, engines generally don't get run until they're installed in the car and it's started and driven off the line.

What you witnessed would have been just a random batch test, which was probably done to prove some new mod before it went into production.

Noddy, you weren't there so you have absolutely no idea what was going on. He was obviously told by people who did know. It was obviously a testing procedure of some sort. I saw such things at Matech so they do go on and the purpose is no doubt way beyond your ken.