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   Well. I am un-impressed.
   Extremely difficult if not impossible to create even a simple board  
outline.
   CONTINUOUS mouse movements necessary else get jaggies and  
discontinuous pieces.
   Better be perfect the FIRST TIME

   NO WAY TO EDIT via given program.
   Had to use a text editor to fix the .kicad_pcb file to properly fix
the "(gr_line (start..." lines.

   The "help" doc is in error; one CANNOT "zero" or reset co-ordinates  
with the space-bar (ignored).

   There are NO mounting holes in the 3.86 to 4.04 mm region; no other
size will do for the Mouser 561-MTP500 "ball" top post, which are  
perfect for snap-in mounting of a PCB (#21 drill).

   Diodes.THT DO-15 P2.54 mm looks shorted; and the pads look too damn  
large; a standard layout in other CAD programs give up to 0.1 spacing
allowance.

   Cannot select ANY footprint.

   Yes, Kicad is Really Swift.

Re: OT: Kicad crap
Den onsdag den 5. juli 2017 kl. 01.29.35 UTC+2 skrev Robert Baer:
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I think you should just start away from computers, they obviously don't  
like you

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On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 16:29:25 -0800, Robert Baer wrote:

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Well, I just made a nice rectangular board outline in about 2 1/2  
minutes, and that included messing with creating an empty project.

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There is.  I edit lines all the time.  I'd have to try it to remember --  
but yes you can (it may involve right-clicking on the line).  At any  
rate, once you get a line's stats up, it's just a matter of filling in  
the boxes.

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No way _that you know_ to edit via the program.

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Well, isn't it a good thing that they give you a perfectly good parts  
editor, then?

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Yup.  Just like every other electronic CAD package in existence, you have  
to spiff up the libraries yourself.

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I absolutely don't know what you're doing wrong, but -- yes you can.  
Like absolutely every other electronic CAD package in existence, KiCAD  
has its quirks -- but like every other electronic CAD package in  
existence, a _smart_ designer can figure them out.

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Tell that to the Large Hadron Collider people.  And all the other folks  
who use it quite productively.

Y'know, if thousands of people use it productively, and one person tries  
it just a bit and doesn't like it -- who needs to adjust their thinking?

--  

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
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On 5/07/2017 11:15 AM, Tim Wescott wrote:
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+1

Also I think Robert's PC & OS is so old that the mouse driver doesn't  
support buttons.

His solution is to download the KiCAD source and recompile it himself ;-)

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Cheers,
Chris.

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Tim Wescott wrote:
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* The so-called "help" file (which is not accessible due to demand that  
IE be used) has no entries for that.

   I'd have to try it to remember --
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* Check; and no clues given.

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* Yes,made my own. Kicad wise,i screwed up and did that "outside" the  
library resulting in a stand-alone which i cannot bring into standard  
library (unless, maybe text oriented i could use dumb text editor).
   But cannot use it, like cannot use any other library component.

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   Less see..had zero problems with IVEX Winboard libraries. Tey had a  
way to modify/make a pattern either visually OR by text editor and one  
could switch between modes as desired.
   Had unlimited license, but they went under maybe 6-7 years ago so i  
dropped it.

   Also, have yet to see library problem in Eagle.

   Ditto for ExpressPCB.

   Are you trying to say that the GoldenPocket CAD libraries are  
problematical?


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Re: OT: Kicad crap
On Fri, 07 Jul 2017 00:53:13 -0800, Robert Baer

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I just tried help with Chrome, Chromium, Firefox, and Opera.  All of
them work:
<http://kicad-pcb.org/help/

Incidentally, there are also KiCAD specfic forums:
<https://forum.kicad.info/
<https://www.reddit.com/r/KiCad/
and a Yahoo group:
<https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/kicad-users/info


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Jeff Liebermann     snipped-for-privacy@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D    http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
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The 'puzzle' is WHY is it ONLY Robert Baer that has trouble connecting
to posted URL's or running his PC in general?  Is he still on Wimpows
98 ?>:-}
        
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Because he's an eccentric old coot like the rest of us. For various values  
of "old". Joerg and I are in an intermediate energy state, and rexie is an  
old-coot-wannabe. ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 16:30:42 -0700 (PDT), snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

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I think only Fields is older than me ??
        
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Well, Virg Wall is a good dozen years older than you, if he's still with us.  

Yo, Virg, you out there?

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
(who has good hope of eternal life, on somebody else's dime)

Re: OT: Kicad crap
Jim Thompson wrote:
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   I NEVER said i had troubles with *POSTED* URLs; those were given very  
recently.
   I documented,with screen shots the Kicad "link" failures.
   Wake up! You should be aware that Kicad will not install on any OS  
older than WinXP.


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i have  kicad on this old w2k


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On 7/9/2017 6:59 PM, M Philbrook wrote:
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You must be *very* proud.

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not really, simply more experienced than you obviously.

it's not my fault if you feel impotent.

Jamie



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On 7/10/2017 4:54 PM, M Philbrook wrote:
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Well, if you are not proud of it, then why are you bragging?

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My feeling is not impotence but superior to you.

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I guess you mean maynard philpot.



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I love you extravagant philosophy! It shows the well has dried up, long  
ago.




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On 7/10/2017 7:15 PM, M Philbrook wrote:
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It is nice that you love something about me. Don't get too attached,  
though. You're not my type.

I never had a well. Did you? Is it dry now? Mental drought?


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M Philbrook wrote:
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   Must be an OLD version...

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Robert Baer wrote on 7/8/2017 3:09 AM:
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You consider this a significant problem?  I haven't even turned on a machine  
with an OS older than WinXP in nearly a decade.

Actually, I believe you are mistaken that it won't run.  You simply need to  
compile from sources for the OS version you want to use.  Do you really  
expect source software to support every version of OS going back over 20 years?

--  

Rick C

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Jeff Liebermann wrote:
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* Link NOT from Kicad..

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   Thanks for the links.


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