Huawei launches Kirin 980 processor, the world's first commercial 7nm SoC

Chaos is neither necessary not sufficient for inventions,

That's true for *every* social/political/economic system.

It is more than just managers; the entire surrounding culture (corporate, government, civil service) is vital.

That's one of the things Bill and Dave Got Right in HP.

It is the /proportion/ of chaos that matters.

Small amounts can jog you out of a local minimum and allow you to hill climb towards a more global minimum.

Larger amounts are destructive, and similar to not learning from history or to continually reinventing wheels (elliptically shaped).

Do you have a point??? The chips that can justify a large NRE have been continually reducing in number over the many decades of semiconductor processing advances. Yet, the process advances continue.

Heck, if they stopped improving ICs and stopped making them cheaper your Xilinx devices would become commodity devices and Xilinx wouldn't just be ignoring you, they would start ignoring everyone and focus only on lowest cost.

Rick C.

How many back doors can one fit in 7 billion transistors?

John :-#(#

And more chaos explores further locations in the solution space.

But destructive is fine, even necessary. We're not talking about GiantCorp managing innovation to change the world - it seldom does - but a multitude of scattered individuals coming up with radical ideas that usually fail but sometimes explode. Townes, Gates, Jobs.

If started from scratch, the development probably would cost that much but they're not starting from scratch. They have the designs of previous generations of chips to build upon. Also note that a large fraction of those 7B transistors are in arrays. Copy-n-paste is something computers do really well. ;-)

IBM had one in their East Fishkill fab. At the time, it was the only one in private hands. I don't know if it ever went into production, even. Of course they no longer own the fab.

The Marshall plan had a lot to do with that.

AlwaysWrong strikes again. Perfect record!

You know "idiot" personally.

That was under Building 600, aka the Advanced Silicon Technology Lab (ASTL). It was made by Oxford iirc, and certainly was never used for any production chips. I went up and saw it once.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Might have been ASTC.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

ASTC

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You do not remember the Thomas Register?

You could buy synchrotrons right from the makers back in the '80s. They had a whole section in the register.

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US has tried using wars (robbery) to fix its debt, but those always increased debt, and made it more enemies. These days now every body and their cat has nukes if US starts a war, and the whole planet is united against it, the empire will not last a day.

History, as others mentioned, teaches the lesson that empires come, and empires go.

Flashes of that movie 'planet of the apes' where they walk on a beach and find the remains of the statute of liberty..

Stars are born and die, so do empires.

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What part of "That IS saving your asses" do you not understand?

Yup, same goes for diesel engines.

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Chaotic thinking and experimenting explore the solution space. Incremental evolution is necessarily local, so limited.

That's so simple I don't know why people dispute it. But not many people like or have ideas.

Townes' book, How the Laser Happened, is a great example of one maverick bucking the entire physics establishment, from Einstein on down. Every scientist and engineer should read it.

Most think a big jump to somewhere couldn't possibly yield a solution because for them it never does. They just discount it as an option. Most really can't do exploring of a bunch of unlikely but just maybe options.

Of course invention relies on both jumps & increments.

NT

John Larkin

Yea like your reality show host, except Mr Xi has the people and party behind him.

In your country where the 'free choice' is limited to 2 parties, one is defined as the one disagreeing with the other, freedom is a joke.

In China you can join the party, and together work out a solution. In the US you can join one or the other party and prevent a solution.

That is why is is all over for the US.

What's the name of that water-boarding hotel in Cuba? Those secret prisons run by the CIA all over the world to keep torture away from the eyes of the old-women US voters?

Personally I am impressed by the discipline in N Korea. Did you see pictures of their military parade yesterday? Workers parade!

Imagine a workers parade in the US... And then imagine [you'd have to imagine] a military parade in the US, half would sit down in protest, and the other half would not be able to walk in step, main reason the reality show manager had to cancel the idea...

Well never knew that was somehow connected to a place. Europe came up with nuclear, radio, CD, television, diesel engine, V1, V2, modern magnetic recording, magnetron, LCDs, microwave radar, OLEDs, video disc, digital TV, so much electronics, you are just blinded by Apple .. ;-) There is great freedom here to invent and try whatever you think works, and in China too.

Oh what fun to throw the mud... pies...

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