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not mentioned in Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_vehicle

The drawbacks of hydrogen use are low energy content per unit volume,
high tankage weights, very high storage vessel pressures, the storage,
transportation and filling of gaseous or liquid hydrogen in vehicles,
the large investment in infrastructure that would be required to fuel
vehicles, and the inefficiency of production processes.



Herc

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Basic chemistry of nitrogen.



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Try

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_internal_combustion_engine_vehicle

Sylvia.

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So? Learn a bit of chemistry; Wiki isn't a comprehensive
source.
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Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
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What is the Toxicity of the Nitrous compounds.  It's a secondary
reaction not even worth a mention in the list of hurdles.

Electrolysis produces Oxygen at the same rate as Hydrogen needed to
recombine.

Even if it was an issue, it's not an issue.

You can whine till the cows come home, around about the same time as
your lithium battery cars come through the driveway, cars are going
Hydrogen, simple fact!

Herc

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Perhaps it's not, but an engine that emits oxides of nitrogen cannot
reasobably be called clean, which is what you did.

Sylvia.

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Oxides of nitrogen are a constituant of smog and it would violate the
smog laws for most, if not all, US states without heroic effort to
minimize the emmisions.



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Ohhh sorrrrry chops..   here pull my finger!

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Why, do you want to emit sulfur dioxide? Anyway, nice
tapdance around the fact that your claim was refuted.
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Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
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What claim?  exactly.

Your claim is not even listed in Wikipedia as a hurdle.

Herc

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Exactly this one, made by you a few posts back.

"The H2 engine gives off WATER VAPOUR for exhaust!  It's clean!"

Sylvia

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True statement!

As I said.. even it was an issue, it just raises the question whether
it is necessary to supply O2 Tanks on top of H2.

Herc

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I think Rotary Engines are more suitable for H2, I heard the fuel
intake is separate to the combustion section so it can handle higher
temperatures.

but H2 is the Hard Problem!  It's not TOO HARD - 2H.  It's H2!   :o|

 *****

The Easy Problem is 80% of car usage is <50km at 60km/hour with one
person load.

If people had short range city cars (ELECTRIC) and H2 for the highway
and towing, then Electric is ideal for a city environment!

The problem is "competition", the govt. has to level the field.  When
Volvo brought out cars 30% heavier than the norm they fared better in
front on crashes!  10G impact if it slows you down, the smaller car
suffers 30G impact going from forward to backward in the same time
frame.

With specialised cars for short range in cities, and H2 for highways,
you could abandon the 1 tonne 4WD style for Electrics, go for a Dune
Buggy style with a compact perspex shell.   Keeps pollution out of the
city too!

Herc

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Yes, keeps it firmly where it belongs - either around the coal-fired
power stations used to generate the electricity for electrolysis, or
around the steam reformation plants.

Sylvia.




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electricity for electrolysis is not a 24 hour application.

You need to get some sun.

Herc

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William Mook had that one nicely covered as of a decade ago, and not
hardly a soul in Usenet/newsgroups ever cared, other than to topic/
author stalk and bash his ideas into the ground.  Perhaps it was the
all-knowing mindset of Mook that made his proposed use of his solar
derived hydrogen sound a bit too good to be true, although his
creating of relatively cheap hydrogen and oxygen from water and solar
energy (even at twice his proposed cost) wasn't any ruse or spoof, and
that hydrogen as used in a fuel-cell can produce 60% efficiency with
as near to zero environmental impact as energy gets.

Relatively low cost hydrogen is certainly not a problem.

The problem is with the closed mindset of most individuals and that of
government and Big Energy that wants absolutely nothing to do with any
of it unless it's only provided by their Oligarch Rothschild cartel.
Steven Chu wasn't of any help either.

I happen to prefer the mobile use or application of HTP along with the
high quality of liquid synfuel hydrocarbons derived from Mokenergy
coal, as a dual-fuel method of providing terrific energy density from
a very small internal combustion engine that could power any full
sized hybrid car, truck or bus of any size without those energy or
operational range limitations of conventional hybrids.  A hydrogen
peroxide battery is also a terrific application of solar energy
derived HP, and Mook's clean synfuel from coal via his hydrogen from
solar energy, was yet another terrific win-win for all of us.

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Uhuh...




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On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:59:47 -0700 (PDT), the following
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ADD getting you down? It's right there at the top: "The H2
engine gives off WATER VAPOUR for exhaust!  It's clean!"
Although the first sentence is correct (but would also be
correct for any existing IC engine, since one of the exhaust
components resulting from burning hydrocarbons is water,
making it irrelevant), the second is not, since NOx isn't
"clean" by anyone's definition.

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Missed that part about Wiki not being a comprehensive
source, did you? ADD again? Or did you actually mean
"relatively clean" and just got carried away by the wonder
of it all?
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Bob C.

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How do you get Nitrates from H2 and O2?

Herc

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Here's Hollywood's concept cars from 2030

http://www.imcdb.org/i003338.jpg

http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_6404-GM-Lean-Machine.html


You can ride around on a bike today at 50km/hour for 2 hours!

All the Westerners living in Asia love their electric bikes!

But they're 30KG with the battery!  20kg + 10kg

What idiots put an electric motor in a 2tonne Holden?

You could have electric cars TODAY if you reduced the requirements a
little!

Put 4 wheels on a bike and an extra 10kg perspex cover!

Herc

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