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History repeating itself.... Looks like Jaycar is following the path of
Tandy (and later Dick Smith, after they successfully filled the void for a
while) with their prices slowly increasing and them selling increasing
amounts of novelties and toys. What is going to fill the void for
enthusiasts and professionals next?

Their latest catologue is half devoted to gimmicks and novelties. That junk
obviously sells, or they wouldn't be selling it, but I've gotta wonder who
the hell buys it?



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On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 05:45:00 GMT, "Tom Smyth"

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And you expect them to survive on Hobby Electronics sales alone? Dont
forget, there is also electus that props up the business, so i doubt
the electronics will be going anywhere too soon.

Besides, if you want a real variety of stuff in hobby quantities you
would be shopping at Farnell or RS.




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What is wrong with Jaycar?
Yes they sell all the novelty toys, but their component range doesn't
appear to be reducing at all. In fact it's probably expanding.
I have not noticed any price rise out of the ordinary.

Who will fill the void for enthusiasts?
Altronics will be more than happy to do that, their range is getting
very good and they are opening stores in other states now. The Sydney
store is excellent.

Who will fill the void for professionals?
Farnell & RS and smaller players like WES have that market sown up.

I'm waiting to see what happens with SonarPlus/Polykom and Electus
(Jaycars wholesale division) given that SonarPlus is now basically
stocking Electus items. Jaycars Gary Johnson owns the lot.

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The general public lap it up.

Is this the 2006 catalog you are referring too?
Haven't seen it myself yet.

Dave :)


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There are 2 entities in Sonar which Jaycar have purchased.

Sonar and Sonar Plus.....  Sonar plus looks like Electus... well the
catalogue does.... and probably 2 administration systems  and   etc.

so I can see them converging in to one... (consolidation)

JG

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They are pretty much asshats these days.
I went in with a list of ICs and components because it always take me ages
to find everything and they werent real pleased about serving me at all and
said I should put in a mail/fax order etc. The prices are bad enough as it
is on eletronic components, I just shop at farnell now, only a tad move
expensive and will ship to me overnight every time for just 8$



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Here in the west we have a well-kept secret - Wordlwide Electronics.  He caters
for mainly commercial customers but still sells in hobby quantities.  I think
the only item with an MOQ is 10 for 1/4W resistors.

Mike carries all the normal range of semis, caps etc etc and his prices are more
than competitive with the Altronics/Jaycar.  I think his overnight courier stuff
is around $8 too - never needed it because I go past often enough.

Interesting thing - his semis are all name brand suppliers, not cheapest chinese
stuff like the rest of them.

Has a catalog system you can download.

http://www.iinet.net.au/~worcom

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caters
think

Glad Mike's still going.

Is he still in Geoge St?  It was nice and close to me in Bentley where I got
the 72 bus to Berwick St and walked down (or was it up?) the hill and he
opens up fairly early.

Along with the cheapest transistors, he was about the only supplier of
2N3866/4427 (DSE stopped them) and goodies like the MC3362 that became the
basis of numerous receivers and transmitters.

Peter



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I believe Mike is no longer with us and his wife now runs the shop. If
I am wrong I apologise for any distress but that's what I heard.

They still have a pretty large stock but the shop is (physically)
about half the size now.

Alan

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Yep, still there And that would be UP)

I've had three kids go through Kent St - the last is currently in Yr12 - so if I
need bits there and don't want to use the courier I drop him off or pick him up
as the case might be, providing a bit of extra purpose.

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I often check the pricing of the "others" and then conclude that Mike's often
half their price esp. on IC's.


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"Rumours of my death have been slightly exaggerated".

Nah, he's going strong and improving by the day.  He had serious (but operable)
cancer, and during the hospitalisation phase and some follow-ups Sue ran the
place.  She's in there now quite a bit still.

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The landlord forced a move two doors northwards, which meant his "disposals"
section had to go.  Pity, there was always some interesting "junque" there.

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I'm glad he's still going!  Obviously bad information I got from
whoever told me.


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I remember an episode of The Office pointing out how awful those talking
dolls are, and a few months later Jaycar starts stocking the exact same
crap - I hate both them and the mouth-breathing morons who find them
amusing, but if it keeps the shop in business then I guess I have to live
with it.

What about Futurlec - www.futurlec.com.au?  I haven't tried them yet, but
their prices and range seem good.




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They are in Thailand but the deliveries are fast and reasonable cheap -
I bought a few times and cannot fault them.

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 How to you get payment to them? I'll be buggered if I'd risk
sending credit card details to SE Asia.

GB

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You can send them a cheque/money order to Aus/UK/US office - look at the
website.

Tom

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I have done a dozen or more transactions with Futurlec over the last few years.
Initially I had your reservations, and wound up faxing the CC info to their .au
contact point.  (The sales mgr (Alan Bonnard) is an ex-pat aussie.)  On recent
deals I just point them to a previous order# and it all happens.  Never had a
drama, and I've leaned to live with paranoia.

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The risk is exactly the same as for a merchant in Australia.
As long as their site is secure you have little to worry about,
Futurlec are a reputable business.

Credit cards are safe, the risk is completely with the merchant, not
the consumer. If it does get stolen and you report any fraudulent
transactions you won't have to pay a cent. At worst it's an
inconvienience to get a new card.

Dave :)


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@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:
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 Not quite, but approximately so.


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 To some extent, it's a reputational thing. The comments
that you, Tom and budgie make help satisfy that issue.
I wouldn't go in cold, but with anecdotes of satisfaction...

GB

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Well I certainly do not like the line Gary Johnston and the team at Jaycar
are taking, but perhaps they're doing this because they want to compete with
DSE (aka Woolworths) who have got the edge over the other players because
Woolworths can leverage immense marketting power and have a supermarket in
almost every part of Australia so you can bet that plans are afoot for
Woolworths to start selling electronics products under the DSE banner
through supermarkets in the coming years.

It would be really nice to have places that are like Radio Despatch,
Sheridans, Geoff Wood, etc. which were all highly regarded by professionals
and enthusiasts alike. We do have Oatley Electronics thanks to the efforts
of Branko Justic, but they're more like Sheridans used to be than the Geoff
Wood (which was a very specialised supplier) or Radio Despatch.

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Seem pretty good so far.

Jaycar's only sensible decision to date has been to move their Gore Hill
Store back to it's original location. Did you know that out of all of
Jaycar's original handful of stores, the ONLY one that's still in its
original location is Gore Hill? Even the one in the city has moved a couple
of times, but always within the same block on York St at the back of the
QVB. And the other interesting fact is that York St and Gore Hill have
retained the same phone numbers all the time they've been open! I remember
when I used to work for Jaycar in the late 80's that their York St store's
phone number was 267-1614 (nowadays with the extra '9' at the front).

I'm sure Jim Rowe and others remember the Hurstville Jaycar store down the
northern part of Hurstville's CBD on Forest Road. That's where I was most of
the time but I spent time in school holidays, etc. working in York St, etc.
Jim was a regular customer and I bet if that store was still there today (it
got replaced by the one at Bankstown on the Hume Highway), Jim and many of
the regular faces from the area would still go there to buy things.

Regards,

Craig.
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Kralizec Craig wrote:
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Jaycar aren't trying to compete directly with DSE, they are just
stocking more stuff that the general public can buy. Nothing wrong with
that really if it keeps them in business.

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There is RS and Farnell which carry virtually everything in stock you
could ever need.
They cater for the professional market (always have), and many of their
prices are not out of the range of the hobbyist. In fact I have often
bought things at Farnell cheaper than Jaycar or Altronics.
Yes, Oatley seem to be about the only "surplus" place left now.

Everyone seems to forget Altronics, they are still around and have a
good range for the hobbyist.

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By that you are implying they have made bad decisions? Like what?
Sure they are selling lots of gadgets, but the range of electronics is
now bigger than I ever remember it being as a kid.

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That's about 0.01% of their client base, so I doubt Jaycar care about
that :->

Dave :)


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You would be surprised how many *professionals* add the toys to their work
order hidden as a part number.
Mike



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