smallest wired keyboard?

What the iTrolls (Alan Baker) and iKooks (nospam) won't tell you is that Apple is perhaps the finest marketing organization on the planet.

The iTrolls (Alan) & iKooks (nospam) blindly defend everything Apple does. To the death.

Apple spends almost nothing in R&D compared to similarly sized companies in high tech, but boy oh boy does Apple outspend everyone else on marketing.

Hence any company would _love_ to be able to follow in Apple's footsteps, as you astutely noted.

To your point, notice recent estimates showed Apple made tens of billions of dollars by removing the accessories from the iPhone 12 & iPhone 13 boxes.

Who wouldn't want a piece of that pie which Apple pioneered for them?

Earlier in this thread we showed that 78% of modern Android phones have the industry standard 3.5mm jack.

What I haven't seen yet is any argument that shows a phone with the industry standard jack is any less functional than a phone without the standard jack.

In fact, all the arguments show otherwise, where it's specious to say it takes up too much room when a battery takes up far more width (which is the important spec) coupled with the known fact there are _zero_ iPhones with a battery even approaching modern capacity found in Android devices (> 4.5Ah).

Notice how the iKooks argue for the necessary space, but yet they also argue for the feeble batteries Apple puts in all iPhones (<< 4.4Ah capacity).

Then notice the iKooks argue for water resistance, and yet, _plenty_ of Android phones with the industry standard jack meet the same IP specs.

Notice iKooks argue it will break the phone and yet there's zero reliable evidence that it's happening in any numbers as to be remotely important.

Notice iKooks argue that the space can be used for "other things", and yet they always argue against sd slots and FM radios (among "other things").

In the end, the iKooks base their self esteem on what Apple feeds them. And, since they have the confluence of low IQ & no education, they can't comprehend that their own arguments in defense of all that Apple does, are illogic & inconsistent.

Tell us, nospam... how is a phone that has the basic industry standard

What can a jackless phone do that a jackfull phone doesn't do?

The 3.5mm connector was used for a wide variety of devices that plugged into a phone, devices that needed only a low-speed interface with minimal power. Since it was on every phone, and there were no royalties associated with it, it became the de facto "universal interface" for both iPhones and Android phones.

Some of the devices were: • High quality microphones when doing video recording • Light meters • IR Blasters • Credit card readers (Square originally used the headphone jack) • Amplified high-quality speakers • Breathalyzer • Laser Pointer • Level • Thermometer • FM Radio Antenna (for Android)

And of course the 3.5mm headphone jack provides better quality audio than Bluetooth, though the Lightning to 3.5mm and USB to 3.5mm dongles are just as good, it's just that the D/A and A/D are duplicated in the dongle. It's just an annoyance to have to buy and carry along one extra item.

I understand your point completely - but allow me to add technical details.

What hardware exists works well - but notice what hardware does NOT exist? *Zero iPhones come with the charger & earbuds & sdslot & 3.5mm jack*

What software exists works well - but notice what software does NOT exist: a. It's impossible to get privacy like that of the Tor browser on iOS b. It's impossible to spoof your GPS like we can easily do on Android c. It's impossible to automatically record phone calls like Android can d. It's impossible to scrape the Apple App Store like we can with Android e. It's impossible to do any graphical wi-fi signal strength on iOS f. It's impossible to graphical cellular signal strength on iOS g. It's impossible to load any launcher on iOS like you can on Android h. It's impossible to set the defaults for many key apps like Android can i. It's impossible to download the OS in layers like Android now does j. It's impossible to run a system wide firewall without a tether etc.

The iPhone is so crippled that you can't even use it without having to log into the mother ship constantly (and yes, I said "constantly").

Android has no problem having _zero_ mothership logins (yes, zero).

Try _that_ on iOS.

You can't even organize your iOS device like you'd want to (see Android ex).

Hell, you can't even "not delete" the iOS IPA (equivalent to an Android APK) whenever you install any new version, which Android easily does for you.

In summary, Apple is a very successful company because of MARKETING, and not because of functionality. Apple severely limits the functionality of the iPhone while Google can't (e.g., NewPipe, Aurora Store, NetGuard, etc.).

And yes, I have _plenty_ of iOS devices (I use both platforms every day).

While you iKooks defend everything Apple does to the death, he's right.

The facts show Apple is a MARKETING powerhouse. Not an R&D powerhouse.

If a company has the highest marketing expenditure, and the lowest R&D in their industry, what would you say that makes them then, nospam? Efficient?

Nobody would expect an iKook like nospam to claim that Apple is a design powerhouse (just as nobody would expect the iTroll Alan to read a cite).

However, not everyone agrees with the iKook nospam. *Apple is a Fashion Company and Style is a Service*

While that's an opinion piece, the fact remains that Apple's R&D is the lowest by both percentage of all similar high tech companies, and, shockingly, even lower in dollar amounts than _smaller_ similar outfits.

What do you think their marketing budget is compared to their R&D budget?

I've been posting screenshots like this for more than a decade.

It's only the low IQ people like Alan Baker & nospam who need hundreds of posts before they figure out that the screenshots are always the same style.

The importance of a gift isn't in the wrapping paper. The wrapping paper is for privacy but the body of the message always uses the same screenshots.

I find it funny that the lower the IQ, the more they claim _everyone_ is me.

The argument to compare the parallel port to the 3.5mm port is specious.

The 3.5mm jack is _still_ in 78% of all phones made in the past five years.

Remember how Apple defended removal of this industry standard functionality: *It's courageous*

It's become harder to directly read from, and write to, the parallel port when using Windows versions beginning with Windows 7, as well as more difficult because the I/O addresses are no longer the legacy ISA parallel port addresses. Of course you can still use MS-DOS or FreeDOS if you're doing embedded systems control through the parallel port.

Not sure how this thread went from wired keyboards to 3.5mm audio jacks (when did 1/8" audio jacks become 3.5mm jacks?).

Wow, I've never seen the "torque" excuse before for eliminating the headphone jack!

By that logic, they should have gotten rid of the Lightning port since it's much more prone to damage. Very creative!

The reality is that a metal 3.5mm plug, inside the phone, is much less subject to damage than the non-conductive PC board substrate that is part of the Lightning connector.

Of course a USB-C connector, both sides of which have a steel shell, is also less subject to damage than a Lightning connector. Hopefully the move to USB-C, which has already occurred with the iPad, will occur with the iPhone by the iPhone 15. If Apple really wants to distinguish the iPhone Pro versus non Pro models then they could use USB-C on the Pro and Lightning on the non-Pro, like they initially did with the iPad.

all of those can be done more easily, more reliably and with more functionality by using lightning or usb-c, and in some cases, bluetooth.

it does not.

the limiting factor is the transducer itself, not the connection method.

then get usb-c or lightning headphones, such as the ones that were included in the box of the iphone you supposedly have.

then you haven't done any research, to the surprise of absolutely nobody.

wrong. lightning is specifically designed to be *less* prone for damage.

nope. the reality is that lightning is designed to shear when torqued so that the phone and its lightning connector are *not* damaged.

that means a repair is basically removing the now broken plug from the port and replacing the cable, which is both easy and inexpensive, and likely something someone can do on their own rather than take it to a repair shop..

that is very much false.

usb-c does *not* have the above requirement, which means excessive torque can cause damage to the port and/or the device. also, the internal tab can break, which means the usb-c port would need to be replaced, and for a phone, quite possibly the logic board, depending if it's part of the same or a separate board.

that would be a huge clusterfuck, so much so that it's obviously trolling.

On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Apr 2022 18:05:03 -0700) it happened sms snipped-for-privacy@geemail.com wrote in <t3fp41$8sm$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me:

Linux I have a Microchip PIC programmer connected to the PC parport, the hardware design is from this person:

No problem changing code from partport ot GPIO But as PCs were getting faster and faster I had to add a delay loop command line option else the PIC could not keep up.

:-)

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 00:06:09 -0400) it happened nospam snipped-for-privacy@nospam.invalid wrote in <170420220006097968% snipped-for-privacy@nospam.invalid:

That is not correct. In my experience wireless links (bluetooth or whatever) are not very reliable. Same for wireless keyboards, sometimes mine is obstructed by stuff on the table that I then have to move, A direct connection will always be better no matter the RF protocol.

Also I do not like bluetooth headsets I want no RF next to my head for long times,

The small earbuds normally have a 90 degrees angled connector and do not have that 'lever' sort of thing that can break the connector. ================{ ] || || 0 And the waterproof argument is a bit far fetched listen with phone upside down in the shower? Dive with it listening underwater to the earplugs?

Yes. I was lucky enough to spend most of my life selling and making products for professional and industrial users.

I learnt to see the difference.

Who told you that, then?

And only on the protocols they sell themselves.

No apple based brower supports webm for example

No Must other companies don't give a f**k what you do with a product once you have purchased it (unless you try to claim under warranty for damage you have caused of course)

Sorry (you may need to look that word up as I am pretty sure you have never used it & don't understand its meaning) can't & I accept that the story may be apocryphal & inaccurate