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Re: Re: smallest wired keyboard? By: nospam to snipped-for-privacy@nospam.com on Fri Apr 15 2022 10:06 pm

Maybe it is a cultural thing, but around my area, the standard jack is used a lot.

Many phones and smartphones use it for radio capture even.

Any manufacturer who wanted to sell any phone around my town must either provide the jack or an equivalent.

My experience is that audio jacks tend to fail past the point in which the smartphone is obsolete anyway.

because digital headphones offer more features and better reliability.

yep, and one that has more functionality and better reliability than what it replaced.

sales went *up*, which means nobody cared, other than a tiny, yet very vocal minority of apple haters who have nothing better to do than bash.

and why is this crossposted to raspberry pi anyway? it has absolutely nothing to do with raspberry pi, but since it is, the raspberry pi zero doesn't have an analog headphone jack, nor does it come with a power adapter either. think about that, a computer that doesn't come with a power adapter.

so the vast majority, it is also the standard format for headphones on almost all legacy audio devices. if not an actual official standard then at lease a defacto one.

but it is removing functionality that previous models had - the point that was being made but you deliberately chose to distort it to support your need to be contrary to the majority opinion

A charger is an accessory? only by the most pedantic of definitions as the device cannot operate without a means of charging. Removal of the PSU is clearly a cost saving exercise (for apple as they do not appear to pass it on to the consumer) & as Apple use proprietary charging skts forces users who don't already have one to spend additional cash

I see that you are trying to make this news group as unbearable as others you frequent with your deliberate attempts to provoke & continue controversy to absurdity.

replaces a universal interface with a proprietary one that can only be sourced from Apple of an Apple licensed supplier.

How is it improved? Audio is still supplied to the ear by tiny speakers receiving an analog voltage. all that has happened is the audio decode & amplification circuits have been removed from the phone & moved to the headphone cable. quality is dependent on the quality of those circuits & simply removes it form Apples concerns

Apple removed the basic functionality so that you have to buy it back.

Each time Apple removes industry standard functionality, their (admittedly stellar) Marketing team comes up with an excuse for only half the story.

The story they told? It's "courageous" (if you can believe that).

I'm not making that up. Apple says they removed basic functionality so that you have to buy it back in a "courageous" decision that their marketing team told them to try out.

And it worked. Apple makes BILLIONS off that one simple removal of standard functionality.

While I don't blame Apple for their profit motive in removing basic standard functionality over time from the iPhone so that they can make billions of dollars in increased revenue from people having to buy it back...

I do blame the average iOS user for falling for the oldest marketing trick in the book.

Lost functionality is what it is. Oh, and it's "courageous" too.

I may own more Apple iOS devices than you do nospam, where the difference is that I know that almost all Android phones come with this standard hardware.

Why, if it's ubiquitous on Android is it not needed on the iPhone?

Then change the fup.

Apple admittedly has perhaps the finest marketing team on this planet. Each time Apple removes basic functionality - we get a _different_ excuse. a. Lack of sdslot - use the iCloud! b. Loss of 3.5mm jack - it's "courageous" c. Loss of charging brick - it's "for the kids" etc.

Yet - all end up causing you to buy the missing functionality back! *It causes a buying decision that never needed to be made before*

There is a recent thread on the Apple newsgroup showing factual reports that Apple made tens of _billions_ of dollars (in a variety of ways) by removing the basic functionality that we speak of here. *Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?*

The estimate for 190 million devices is Apple saved in costs alone 6.5 billion dollars and then Apple made tens of billions more in increased sales. *Steve (sms) posted the cite to the report in this message*

Bear in mind the correct charger _nobody_ has who bought any iPhone since the correct 20 Watt charger _never_ came in any iPhone box in Apple's entire history of selling billions of iPhones.

Note: Apple never tells you this. Apple "claims" you already have a charger, but that's like telling you that you already have old used incandescent bulbs that you can bring over to your new house which is designed for LEDs which are what you want when you pay for a phone with 20W fast charging.

Which is changing. There are better solutions now.

The 3.5" floppy disk was a "defacto standard" too.

Should we still have those?

No, it's not. The functionality is:

"Plug headphones/earbuds"

And that functionality is still included.

When the entire world already owns multiple chargers? Yes.

Really? And you know for a fact that the price of the phones wouldn't have been higher if they'd kept the charger as included?

I see you're addressing comments I didn't make.

Bluetooth is proprietary?

And if Lightning is proprietary (it is)...

...it doesn't appear to be an impediment.

That is of little interest to the owner of a set of expensive and carefully chosen headphones which are usable with just about everything except a recent Apple phone - especially if they find Apple's offering uncomfortable.

iPhones never had an extra storage slot of any kind...

...so it is factually incorrect to claim that they "removed" that functionality.

That's not even English.

Almost everyone does.

You want LED lighting for your phone?

Except if you get yourself the $10 adapter...

Actually the A/D, D/A, and amplifier are still in the phone as well because they're still needed for the phone's speakers and microphones. They are simply duplicated in the Lightning to 3.5mm headphone adapter (or in the very few Lightning ear pods).

The removal of the headphone jack was done for multiple reasons. First it reduced manufacturing cost (at least after they stopped including the Lightning to 3.5mm headphone adapter). Second, it eliminated a point of failure since the headphone jack was one of the biggest points of failure that was covered by the warranty or Apple Care. Third, it encouraged MFi devices with royalties to Apple (since the 3.5mm headphone jack had no royalties). Fourth, it made it easier to achieve IP68. Fifth, and most important, it encouraged the sale of AirPods.

Some people don't realize that the 3.5mm headphone jack was used for a lot more than just headphones. See #3a on page 14 of the document

such people are a tiny minority and don't normally use those headphones with a smartphone of any kind because the sound quality from a phone of any kind does not do justice to it.

but if they do want to use expensive and carefully chosen headphones, they can choose their own d/a converter to justify their purchase, whether it's a cheap $5-10 adapter from apple or a very fancy (and overpriced) one from an audiophile manufacturer.

also note that those very same people would be in the very same predicament with many android phones, including the google pixel series and the latest samsung phones.

and since this is cross-posted to raspberry pi, they'd also have the same issue with a pi zero.

or google, samsung, oneplus, etc., who also do not have an analog headphone jack anymore.

that means that headphone makers can use their own d/a converter as well as add additional functionality that is otherwise not possible, including spatial audio, health sensors, noise cancellation that uses the phone's noise cancellation functionality (which means no additional cost or increase in size), as well as being significantly more reliable.

users can also buy their own external d/a converter instead of being limited to what the device maker decided to use.

usb-c is also licensed, for the many android devices that do not have an analog headphone jack anymore.

lightning earpods are extremely common, having been included with iphones for several years.

the cost savings is almost zero.

that is correct. the analog headphone jack was a common point of failure. lightning and usb-c headphones are *significantly* more reliable.

that is completely false. it has absolutely no effect on mfi devices.

true.

nope. it did not. it had little to no effect on airpods, which weren't even available when the change was made.

apple *included* headphones and an adapter, which means *nothing* extra needed to be purchased.

as it turned out, almost nobody used the adapter so apple stopped including it.

what you don't realize is that lightning (and usb-c for android) is capable of *much* more than what is possible with an analog headphone jack.

that is false.

or usb-c connector on android.

so robust that by your own admission above, it's one of the most common failure modes.

extremely tiny, barely enough to power an led.

meanwhile, lightning and usb-c can source a significantly higher amount of power.

you're making a case for its removal.