smallest wired keyboard?

Are you familiar with what "past tense" means?

You always blame everyone but Apple for _forcing_ Apple, wholly against their free will, to remove basic functionality from the iPhone nospam.

Your repeated claim Apple has no marketing of their own is preposterous.

When you buy a new car for yourself, Apple's (stellar) marketing tells you to trade back and forth, every single night, the old inefficient incandescent bulbs from your wife's older car to your brand new shiny new car (which was designed for LEDs).

While you're using the old incandescent bulbs, her car doesn't work (because Apple wants you to _share_ the old technology between two cars!)

Apple's excuse for that iPhone 12 & iPhone 13 money-making clusterfuck? *"It's green!"* *THINK OF THE KIDS!!!!!!!*

Apple's strategy is to remove basic functionality from the iPhone so that you have to buy it back.

Each time Apple's (admittedly stellar) marketing comes up with a new excuse. a. It's courageous b. It's for the kids c. It's due to Apple-only iPhone-only iOS-specific battery chemistry etc.

You always tell this lie.

Change that preposterous "many" to a more realistic "select few" and even so, *why do you always proclaim that Apple marketing is driven by Google?*

Apple likely spends more than any other tech company in marketing nospam, and yet, you always claim Apple can only _follow_ what other companies do?

Does Apple have absolutely no free will as you always repeatedly claim?

He doesn't.

He's pointing out that this is a movement of more than just one company.

Got proof of Apple's spending?

Thought not.

As someone who carefully chose their headphones, it should be obvious to you (or I hope you'll do some research and figure it out) that

The advice to put a good DAC before the headphones serves to keep the signal high-fidelity for as long as possible. It encourages to short 3.5mm cable runs so that there's fewer opportunities for noise, interference, or signal attenuation due to weird capacitance issues. Really the advice to use a DAC is putting lipstick on the TRS pig. A good solution is to either keep the signal digital as long as possible and only translate it into analog at the drivers or to use a purpose-built cable to carry analog signals like XLRs.

TRS has very few advantages. One of them is that they're dirt cheap to make. They only require thin gauge wire in their connectors. They're easy to replace. It's relatively easy to understand what's happening by placing probes on the contacts and seeing a waveform. They're even simpler to modulate signals onto than a serial cable. TRS is a worse-is-better standard. It's the bare-minimum needed to run analog signals on a wire, any wire, without offering bare wiring or aligator clips. From a fidelity, BOM cost, or footprint perspective using a digital connector is far superior. You can even run long cabling to speakers and not have the severe loss issues that come with a pure analog connector at the low voltages being output on most audio lines.

Getting angry at Apple over this is silly (as others have noted that many Android phones have these features as well.) Apple has always placed itself at the upper end of the market. If any company is willing to throw away the trash known as the TRS connector for quality, then it will be Apple. It is unfortunate that folks who have headphones and headsets that connect via 3.5mm TRS cannot directly connect anymore but they can buy a simple adapter and get the same functionality. In the meantime the folks who are actually interested in Hi-Fi audio can use better connectors than wires soldered into a ring.

note the tense.

apple included lightning headphones with the iphone 7, 7 plus, 8, 8 plus, x, xs, xs max, xr, 11 and 11 pro. they stopped including them with the 12 because most people already had a set or never used them in the first place.

apple included headphone adapters with the iphone 7, 7 plus, 8, 8 plus and x, they stopped including adapters because people didn't use them. instead, they either used the headphones included the box or not at all.

sales continued to increase, which means it wasn't an issue whatsoever, despite people who have nothing better to do than whine about it.

and as a bit of history, the first smartphone maker to not have an analog headphone jack was *not* apple.

that title goes to the first *android* phone, way back in 2008, which used a non-standard proprietary ext-usb port and didn't include an adapter.

going back even further, feature phones had a 2.5mm jack or a proprietary dock port, both of which needed an adapter to use standard

well said and all very much correct.

as it turns out, apple wasn't first smartphone maker to do so. that title goes to the first android phone, the t-mobile g1 in 2008:

going back even further, feature phones either had a smaller 2.5mm jack or a proprietary dock port, both of which required an adapter to use standard headphones.

they also represent a very, very small niche.

yep, and they're not likely to be using a smartphone as a source anyway, making it entirely a non-issue.

It's bullshit that "most" phones don't have the industry standard jack. Over three quarters of all phones released in the past five years have it. There's a good reason that *most phones* have the standard 3.5mm jack.

It's revealing nospam always makes the preposterous claim that Apple has no free will whenever he is defending the _loss_ of iPhone functionality.

If you believe nospam, Apple is wasting that tremendous amount of money they spend in marketing since according to nospam, everyone else _forces_ Apple to remove basic functionality from the iPhone year after year after year.

The fact *most phones* have the industry standard jack is _not_ a niche.

Given *most phones* have the jack, it's interesting that nospam always comes up with preposterous excuses for why Apple _removed_ basic functionality.

what matters is if it's actually *used* and it is not.

the space can be better used for other things that are more useful to more people, especially given that an analog jack is redundant.

How often do you use a USB thumb drive?

You could argue that you only use it when you need it, right? Which might not be all that often, right?

The loss of functionality you advocate for is like Apple removing the industry standard USB-A ports on Apple computers which negates the use of a simple USB thumb drive.

The point being it won't be there when you actually _need_ it to be there.

You'd then have to go out and buy a silly Apple gimmick just to get back the lost functionality that shouldn't have been removed in the first place.

Which is exactly what Apple wants you to do.

Same can be said for Apple removing the standard USB-A port on its laptops.

It doesn't matter what Apple did ten years ago. It matters what Apple does now.

Your position is untenable since Apple doesn't do what you said it does.

Use them "wired" to a USB socket?

Yes.

I didn't know about the 2.4 GHz connection. Maybe that's more reliable than bluetooth, maybe not. I'd still rather the wire. (Which probably puts me in an extreme minority.)

And the downside of any thing not wired is batteries and moving it between devices. Repairing for BT or moving dongles for this 2.4 GHz thing.

So far Computer Nerd Kev has the best suggestion, one I would have discounted as "too unfinished looking" (no edges? dust will get in there) but maybe the best option available.

Not out of budget, but certainly more than I wanted to pay.

Elijah

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No...

...because USB ports are MULTI-function...

...kind of like the Lightning port.

Ooops

Oof I'm sorry you lost your parallel port. It must have stung when they took those industry-standard connectors out of computers for USB.

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I have a PCI par port card in one of my PCs its the only real I/O on a PC. Now with raspi we have GPIO, a BIG win!!!!

Apple is overpriced crap.

Why not compare a modern Tesla to the old magtape of the days of yore?

What ceases to be shocking is how powerful Apple propaganda is on the weakest brains who obtain most of their self esteem from Apple ads.

It's interesting that you equate the commonly useful USB-A port with the no-longer-used parallel port which proves how much power Apple advertising has on your feeble brain.

Clearly you have no education and a low IQ since a standard part of any testing regimen is to see how people can discern similar with different.

Like Russian citizens, you have been fed the propaganda soup for so long that you can't possibly comprehend that a floppy disk isn't the same thing as a 3.5 jack in terms of modern commonly useful & oft-used functionality.

Nobody said anything about Apple being priced well :) I'm just here to say the 3.5mm TRS jack is good to be dead. It was a bad connector and it's well and good to be gone. I really don't care about Apple either way. I'm an Android user myself and I'm _glad_ I don't have to bother with 3.5mm jacks anymore.

I agree, and, more to the point of an educated astute observation...

The commonality of the raspi with almost _all_ other common consumer electronics is that every year the raspi (and most consumer electronics) gets (a) better, (b) faster, and (c) cheaper over time.

It's only the immensely hugely marketed electronic items which don't get (a) better, (b) faster, and (c) cheaper over time.

HINT #1: Apple spends the lowest of all of high tech in R&D, yet Apple's marketing budget is likely the largest of all high tech (bar none).

HINT #2: Guess why Apple products (which every year lose more and more functionality) get (a) worse, (b) faster, and (c) more expensive over time?