smallest wired keyboard?

the reason is actually quite simple Apple are NOT primarily a technology company, they are a fashion house. change for the sake of change every 6 months & your customer base will buy everything again because they simply must have the latest model or die of embarrassment

Yep it is not just apple, others have seen that it can generate an additional revenue stream & have adopted the same strategy

I for one prefer not having a 3.5mm jack on my phone (and I don't on my Android). I already talked about my problems with the connector in another post. Practically speaking, they add another failure mode to the phone and increase its bulk. I've had my 3.5mm connectors die on me often and frequently, everything from one channel going dead to gunk buildup causing attenuated audio. I'm a pretty outdoorsy person so that doesn't help. The single connector design of phones without the 3.5mm sockets make them easy to clean and maintain.

Rii have a few different models like this - they are generally quite good

Yup.

You understand the market dynamics well.

Marketing is why Apple products get worse, faster & more expensive over time, while other electronics (like the raspi) get better, faster & cheaper.

Apple removes functionality, and then tells them it's "courageous" to do so. *And they believe it!*

Apple secretly throttles CPUs and then says they have a special battery chemistry that only Apple uses and it's only used in certain iPhones. *And they believe it!*

Apple has never shipped the correct 20W charger in any iPhone box when Apple tells its customers that they have too many (old decrepit) chargers already. *And they believe it!*

You can't make those ungodly profits off of an intelligent customer base. *You just can't*

Thank you for approaching the answer in the manner in which it was posed, as the iKooks are saying that somehow the phone is damaged by the mere presence of that industry standard 3.5mm jack on the side.

I don't doubt that _every_ standard has its pros and cons.

Do they?

A lot of people believe in their own intuition more than they believe in facts, where that's how marketing works (it preys on your intuition believing something that wasn't actually ever said - but it was implied).

Is there _any_ evidence that the vast majority of phones with the standard

And, given most Android phones nowadays are coming with huge batteries (greater than about 4.5 Amp hour capacities), is the "bulk" of the industry standard 3.5mm jack on that rather thick side really a design impediment?

With all due respect, that's not what I'm asking as any 3.5mm jack that works for a time and then fails thereafter was still useful for that time.

Not having that jack made it *NOT* useful for the _entire_ time.

You don't know me, but my last phone got crushed while I was rappelling.

Again, I get it that you're basing that on pure intuition, but bear in mind that I know quite a lot about engineering where intuition is often wrong.

Take the "intuition" that people have with high-test gasoline being used for racing engines, so they think it gives their Honda Civic more power somehow.

Hell, they even think "high octane jet fuel" will be even better, right? And yet it's not.

Intuition is almost always wrong because even the smartest of us owns the intuition that nature gives the monkeys who descended from the trees onto the savanna. (I know a bit about quantum mechanics, for example, where _nothing_ is intuitive, and if you think it is, you don't understand it... to paraphrase Richard Feynman.)

I completely understood what you are claiming, but I question these intuits:

1. Something to fail
2. Increase in bulk
3. Easy to maintain

Personally, I don't find any of those intuitive thoughts persuasive in light of the _functionality_ of a phone with and without the standard 3.5mm jack.

However let's see if anyone else has an ideas why the iKooks seem to claim that a phone with the functionality is somehow _less_ functional than one that doesn't have it at all.

On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Apr 2022 07:36:23 GMT) it happened meff snipped-for-privacy@example.com wrote in <Xlu6K.430643$ snipped-for-privacy@fx98.iad:

We live in a world where making things redundant by introducing new standards to seLL new stuf seems to be the normal I have many 3.5 mm earbuds and expensive Sennheiser headphone with 3.5 mm jacks If Apple or anybody wants to exclude me from using it then they have already lost me as a buyer (not that I would even consider Apple). I have a Xiaomi Android phone for what was it? 140 Euro or so and it has a 3.5 mm head phone connector plenty of apps available for it.

All my rapis have 3.5 mm jacks up to and including the Pi4 8 GB. I have USB audio sticks for mike in and audio out for it too with 3.5 mm Jack That brings me to all those mikes...

This is a gross generalisation which might be true for a lot of people and works well for Apple but a generalisation nonetheless. I am an old unix/linux user who switched from Windows to Apple around 2008 because as a developer (formerly web now mostly C) it "just" works. I don't need gamer graphics but I do appreciate not running system updates for a whole day after a week of not using a computer. And yes, I like the aesthetics of both the hardware and (mostly) the software. Linux doesn't work for me as a day to day desktop. I like tinkering as a hobby but I don't want to be a busy system administrator for my own system.

I only recently switched from Android to iPhone and yes I miss the headphone jack but I got a €5 adapter. It kinda sucks but modern (high end) Android phones also often don't have it anymore.

On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Apr 2022 08:50:58 -0000 (UTC)) it happened A. Dumas snipped-for-privacy@dumas.fr.invalid> wrote in <t3e01i$mp5$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me:

I have been running Linux only since 1998 when I found SLS Linux on a CD that came with some magazine. Before that I was a developer for IBM software in x86 asm and C, an also various micro computers. But I am also an electronics hardware designer and a hacker of course ;-)

That makes no sense whatsoever

I type this on my good old Samsung laptop that runs Slackware ~ # uname -a Linux panteltje20 2.6.37.6 #3 SMP Sat Apr 9 22:49:32 CDT 2011 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2430M CPU @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux so 11 years old distro, in the newsreader I wrote myself back in those days:

There is a modern version of Debian in an other partition, can boot in it but never use it though.

I can also run Chromium on my laptop via ssh from the Pi4 4GBB ~# cat /usr/local/sbin/chromium

#!/usr/bin/expect spawn ssh -Y flip@192.168.178.95 /usr/bin/chromium-browser --window-size=1568,872 1>/dev/zero 2>/dev/zero expect "password" send "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious\r" expect "192.168.178.123" interact

No problem exposing my password here as they they cannot spell it anyways.

Well, silly updates that suck bandwidth seems to be the normal. I use iptables as firewall here,. Sure some silly website can steal your passwords, same for Apple and Microsoft.

I run Chromium browser on a Pi4 4 GB (so Linux) to access modern websites, In all these years since 1998 I have never been hacked, My website is hosted by godaddy and that is worth the money as I do not have to check logfiles all day to check for hacking attempts..

I tried to write an android app one day but really disliked the system and doubt the security... programming for dummies sort of thing. I write asm for micros and it is fun, plenty of code on my site. Using C for Linux stuff, makes it portable to raspis etc.

Later

This much is true, unlike most Fashion houses Apple do make high Quality products that work well, its not the product I dislike it is the Corporate mentality & ethos of the company.

bluetooth keyboard batteries last as much as two years on a single charge. it's *not* an issue. moving it between devices is also easier since there aren't any wires to plug/unplug. some bluetooth keyboards support multiple pairings, and in many cases switch automatically among hosts.

that's nothing more than the usual bashing, and is demonstrably false.

that is false. the reason it's licensed is to guarantee compatibility and prevent damaging devices, including for products not yet released. the revenue is negligible and covers the testing that's done.

for those who want to cheap out, there are knock-off versions. sometimes they work. sometimes they don't.

the industry is moving to usb-c, which is a more capable port as well as being reversible, making it more convenient too.

google was first to switch to it on their chromebooks. the hp spectre is entirely usb-c. apple's ports are both usb-c/thunderbolt, as are some other makers (not all support both, however).

there are usb-c thumb drives as well as ones with both usb-c and usb-a ports for backwards compatibility.

it's a non-issue, born out of ignorance.

Parallel ports are still used as control interfaces to small CNC machines in preference to USB because they provide better real time control. Old computers with parallel ports command a surprising premium because of this.

Its demonstrably true.

As it is of all consumer product companies. Sales are everything, no matter what the reason for them, and consumers are by their very nature less sophisticated buyers, for whom brand image is usually far more relevant than performance or total lifetime cost.

As always, both are true. Some value one thing more, others the other, and some people hate everything ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

it is not.

except that people buy apple products because they do what people want them to do, not because of any mythical brand image.

performance is as good or better than the competition and total lifetime cost is less, often by quite a bit.

you snipped the context.

that is true.

however, the claim that apple is a fashion brand is flat out false.