No pi stock anywhere and delivery times out to end 2023!
May 13, 2022 Last reply: 4 years ago 114 Replies
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Pancho
AIUI International law doesn't dictate a closed border. If you mean impose standard tariffs, I didn't think it specified how they were to be enforced. An obvious alternative was electronic tracking.
Where does it say that?
Exactly which international law is that?
You are talking like London cares? AIUI the current protocol is fine. However, if they don't like it, NI are free to come up with obvious alternative solutions. It is time they stopped demanding special needs.
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot
A RtL script would be /interesting/.
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The Natural Philosopher
Oh dear. I but stuff from all over the world with no bad old days of currency exchange. Since no one uses cash, no one cares what the exchange rate is really. My credit card works in Sweden, (kroner) Europe (Europe) USA (dollars) S Africa (Rand) Mexico (whatever they use) and dozens of countries I haven't visited.
You see the best way to harmonise is not via a dictatorship, it is by consent.
The point about local currencies is that they allow nations with different standards of living to adjust their currencies. If you enforce the same currency you get Greece, (or Mississippi).
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The Natural Philosopher
Strangely enough the people who have gained the most from EU membership Now ask in Italy, Greece, France, Portugal, Spain...
-- If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
Joseph Goebbels
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The Natural Philosopher
Except that that is exactly the arrangement the EU wants to impose upon the UK
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The Natural Philosopher
They wont. The reason NI is part of te UK is that the NI unionist feared at one time (with reasonable justification) that without the UK to protect them they would be murdered in their beds.
Now quite why the catholic community (to protect whom, the British Army first went to NI, to be cleaverly distracted by the IRA attacking them...) would want to murder Unionists in their beds, goes back a long way.
The NI is nearly as heavily subsidised as Scotland - its economy would collapse if it was reunified and its people would feel strangers in someone else's country.
Remember Britain would gladly have thrown Ireland to Sinn Fein years ago if it had not been for the wishes of the NI people themselves.
And not much has changed - opinion poles show that the protestant North
- while disgusted with their politicians - and who isnt - still firmly want to remain part of the UK. As do the Majority of Scots.
The fact is that the GFA was null and void the moment the UK left the EU. Force majeure. A treaty signed by two EU countries is null and void when one of them leaves. Instead of working out a new arrangement the EU forced NI to remain in the EU. Putting the border down the Irish sea. In the middle of the UK.
Naturally this doesn't work.
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The Natural Philosopher
Oh indeed.
It was common for cows to be driven from one side of the border to another and back to collect export grants , several times in one day.
Only insofar as the IRA didnt see a way to achieve anything more except their own demise by continuing. They were completely penetrated and all members were known, and unsolved murders were common...,
The border does not work because the EU doesn't want it to work. For some reasons they want to punish the UK by acquiring NI. Lords knows why.
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The Natural Philosopher
No, the point is simple. The GFA is null and void. Since one of its signatories has ceased to exist - the EU *province* of the united kingdom, is now a *nation*. But I think you will find that international law does not require that borders are maintained.
It merely allows nations to erect them. if they so choose.
All a border is, is the limit of jurisdiction of national law.
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot
Oh Yipee bring back the troubles, free bombs for all.
I notice that the US government seems to disagree with you, quite strongly.
The status of Northern Ireland has not changed in the slightest. It is and always (well since the UK first took over Ireland) has been part of the United Kingdom. It has never been an EU province - there's no such thing.
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot
This is why London and Yorkshire have different currencies right ?
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TimS
It's punishment for having the temerity to leave the EU, which as Mr Rivet and chums say is the most wonderful enitity in the world in space in the universe. In the multiverse, even. You'll remember that famous set of EU Constitution referendums, voted down by the public. So they repackaged it as a treaty (Lisbon Treaty) which would then be passed by governments so the populace could be ignored. Even then, the Irish Republic's constitution required a referendum, which didn't pass. At which point some EU bigwigs were heard to say that they'd have to vote again until "they got the right answer".
At least the Lisbon Treaty contained a clause for leaving the EU, although it was never intended that it should be used. So the UK's decision to invoke its treaty rights has to be punished too.
It's a bit like that hotel where you can check out but you can't leave.
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Mike Scott
Precisely the point I was trying to make.
And the 'dirty linen' could well be viewed as the EU's that we've been fool enough to offer to launder.
But enough; this is well OT for this group.
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TimS
That's because it doesn't know its arse from a hole in the ground.
He wasn't referring to NI.
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The Natural Philosopher
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Full list of European provinces. Ulster is one of them.
England comprises 5 others, scotland and wales two more
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Brian Gregory
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-- Brian Gregory (in England).
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