Is the NG still active?

Dana Fri, 16 Oct 2020 15:08:01 +0100, The Natural Philosopher napis'o:

So... you had to be off topic? Or you're just a natural philosopher...

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote

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Did you really want a respose to this redneck pseudo-intellectualism? Your "signature" is 10 lines while your post is 1 line.

No. Not from Liberal pseudo intellectuals. Who can't spell 'response'

I have over 200 'signatures' randomly selected. Some are quite short.

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There is an RFC that says you should keep them to four lines.

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"Ahem A Rivet's Shot" wrote

| > I have over 200 'signatures' randomly selected. | > Some are quite short. | | There is an RFC that says you should keep them to four lines. |

That's an interesting decision. People rig their email to insert completely irrelevant text, not even knowing themselves what gets inserted, for no good reason, and there are politeness rules about how to do that?!

That's a bit like having signs that say, "If you're going to shit on the sidewalk, please do it toward the edge."

I tend to just think of anything below the message as an ad and ignore it, but like ads in webpages, it does make for a lot of unnecessary noise.

Guidelines really, and they've been published for a while (based on much older informal conventions going back to 1979). Here they are:

It covers a lot more than just signatures.

Yes, you read it, or ignore it, enjoy it, or whatever. It's just a sig. Unlike ads in web pages, its always in a predictable place that you don't even have to scroll to.

And if your news client is in any way well specced, it never gets repeated in followups.

I really don't see what the fuss is about. Dozens of sigs might irritate me, but I don't feel so insecure as to have to comment on them

So... naturally... what you're saying is... every asshole has a sig... (deduction)... therefore I should also have one? Naturally... Like in C++... classes... attributes... inheritance... Ok... now we're on C++... then a little turn... and we're back to RPi!!!! And a little question... should a news server have a switch to indicate complete removal of signature for every post it accepts? If it does not, it would be a great feature. Less spam in posts!

This newsgroup is obviously dead - this thread proves it!

Am 17.10.20 um 09:25 schrieb Ahem A Rivet's Shot:

But these four lines are definetly not enough to have e-mail-signatures according to european laws (for business purposes).

m2c

Hu? Complete legal contact information certainly fits easily. Page long blurb like "if you recieved this in error we in no way agologize but threaten you with Mafia squads unless you comply with silly requirements we are in no way entitled to make." is entirely voluntary.

...and anyway, who in their right mind or half out of it would use a newsgroup for business purposes?

Am 18.10.20 um 12:20 schrieb Axel Berger:

Really?

I dont talk about "blurb" as this 'if you recieved this in error ...' has absolute no legal binding.

But I'm talking about information that is required by law.

For example Austrian law says that e-mail-signature MUST contain the same information as business letters. So e.g. legal address and contact information, commercial register number and court, business register number and authority, VAT-ID, members of executive board, members of supervisory board, if available authorized signatory (in German Prokuristen).

And I didn't mention legal requirements according to GDPR/DSGVO so far.

I doubt this would fit into 4 lines.

best regards

Yes, email if it contains binding contract information. But a Usenet post? I'm pretty sure Impressum requirements for printed pamphlets suffice.

"Juergen Bruckner" wrote

| But I'm talking about information that is required by law. | | For example Austrian law says that e-mail-signature MUST contain the | same information as business letters.

Very different thing. Usenet is anonymous chat. If you choose to advertise your company that's usenet spam, not legally required information. You're talking about conducting official business via digital communication.

My dentist sends me email I can't even read. It's infested with script and web bugs, assuming that I'm reading it via webmail. I'm reading it as plain text. If there are identifying lines or disclaimers I'm not seeing them. And they don't even know. They've subbed out communication to a company specializing in dentists. All they care about is that I fill out a form declaring I still don't have coronavirus.

Sorry, I WAS talking about email in general. And YES you ARE right, it's something very different in a newsgroup!

Perhaps also a misunderstanding, because I didn't exactly differentiate between email and newsgroup.

best regards

-=> Mayayana wrote to Juergen Bruckner Very different thing. Usenet is anonymous chat. If you Ma> choose to advertise your company that's usenet spam, Ma> not legally required information. You're talking about Ma> conducting official business via digital communication.

There'd be nothing stopping you from running a private NNTP server. I've had the opportunity to set up standards-based collaboration a couple of times - use NNTP as a collaboration tool with private newsgroups, Jabber for chat, SMTP/IMAP/LDAP for mail and directory services and you had a platform-agnostic collaboration suite on par with on-prem exchange - long before anyone had heard of Teams or Slack.

... Curious ideas wait for stranger times

At which point the RFC can get stuffed. And there isn't much point in running a sig anyway

All true, but these days you need video conferencing with good screen sharing capabilities