gmail disaster?

Why go through all the pain and hassle, use another mail provider.

I think gmail is quite good for many people but if you want to use it in somewhat non-standard ways (i.e. not from Android, M$, etc.) then it doesn't always want to co-operate.

There are lots of excellent and very cheap E-Mail providers out there. If you register your own domain as well you have incredible flexibility.

I run all my (and my family's) E-Mail through my own domain at TsoHost, very simple to run and their support is excellent.

You might also try Gandi, similar sort of service.

There are many, many, others, those are just the two I know fairly well (UK/Europe based).

Because he likes to make life difficult for himself then whinge about it.

Indeed he is a recognised troll and should be kf'd.

Anybody on a linux group who still uses gmail probably doesnt use linux at all.

Well, actually, I use Linux almost exclusively. I run my own mail server out of my house for incoming mail, and use an ISP-provided SMTP server for outgoing, when I am at home. But, they provide NO service when I am away. So, I use gmail for that situation, so I can still send mail while travelling.

Jon

If that's the problem you're trying to solve then I suggest running a VPN server on your house LAN (openvpn is good) so that you can effectively be at home anywhere there's a half decent internet connection. I've been doing that for years. I use an IMAP server (dovecot) that can only be reached on the LAN or by VPN and outgoing mail goes through my ISPs relay wherever I am. I can also easily pick up any files I might have forgotten to take with me or consign new stuff on safe storage on my ZFS NAS.

He didn't say he had a problem that needed solving, he just said that Gmail can be useful.

"But, they provide NO service when I am away."

To my eyes that's a problem that needed solving, and gmail is a solution. I was just suggesting an alternative and IMHO better one.

??? If you cant arrange to get at your home server remotely, or set up a VPS private cloud outside your home firewall, why ever are you not running windows?

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Ah, you meant a problem in need of a /better/ solution, for you. :-) I assumed he restricts remote access by choice rather than by necessity.

Because an email-adr is not a cigarette or a hamburger. It's a relationship with history, commitment. Are their any TECHNICAL people here, or only loney social-girlies?!

I'm located in 3rd-world [going 4th] & X86 system stolen & bought new Win8.1 laptop + Vodacom-dongle. Vodongle incompatible with Win8.1, so pay for update -- still waiting.

Windows usage is a problem, but RPi + lynx can still do NNTP. Gmail 'blocks' access, and does "we are looking after your security" dialogue/dance - mostly in cartoon-form, requiring a continual cycle of password changes, until you drop-the-ball.

Using RPi with: netsurf & midori [every change of browser to gmail is problematic, since gmail monitors YOUR computer] indicates that pop & imap facilities ARE available.

Since these don't require js-capable and/or allow "UPDATES" by 3rd parties to YOUR system; this should remove the problems?

The relevant RFC for from some years ago is simple. I modified my Oberon-source in the 90's when the ISP added TransmitAuthenticate. For shell script writers, it's a 1 page job.

OF COURSE: google doesn't want this. Their duty to their share-holders is to capture your attention - for sales.

Where are the technical people to confirm this possibility, or point to lurking problems, which I've over looked.

I want to speak to the engineer, not the sales-girl.

On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 23:39:46 -0000 (UTC), snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com declaimed the following:

The biggest problem most have with GMAIL is that Google is in the habit of changing their SSL key every few weeks, rather than every year or two. And yes, that does imply that one can not just use the old POP3 port 110 to retrieve mail, nor SMTP port 25 (which most ISPs block when used as pass-through).

If your software can't handle the SSL key refresh automatically, it does cause problems -- I run Eudora on Win7; Eudora support/upgrades stopped ages ago, with the result that it does not know about current key agents and requires one to manually approve new keys when GMAIL changes them {one reason I do not have my GMAIL account configured in Eudora -- the other being that I only created that account because it was needed for GooglePlay on my Samsung/Nook tablet}

If you are looking for a Google technician, you won't find them here.

Perhaps the "technical people" couldn't see the relevance of almost everything in your post to the task of using gMail as a POP server. You didn't even mention POP in your original post. Google explains how to enable POP for your account here . The client settings are also there if your email client does not already know them. You could use mail or mailx in a bash script but I don't see why you would prefer that to just using Thunderbird (Icedove) or any other modern email client.

If you want to speak to technical support omit your gossip and "political" opinions from your posts, leave out how you might perform a task and just specify the problem you want solved.

Well of course you have been, but rudeness wont get you the answer you want, only the one that is available.

To rent a domain name and a VPS, point the mail at the VPS of your choice, and set up your won IMAP or POP based server is small beer for a linux aficionado. You can even set uop your own authenticated SMTP relay as well.

And if Gmail wont allow you to redirect your existing mail to that, gmail isn't worth having (I checked, it does..)

Which is almost certainly the case anyway.

He hasn't even got as far as realising that all his guff about 'email accounts are my history' is invalidated by the fact as gmail will forward his mail to any new address he has set up elsewhere.

So not only can he enable POP access, he can move his mail to an entirely new system under his control, and run mail anyway he wanrs and still receive mail via gmail.

I am afraid we are talking to the sales girl.

... and that's the best reason ever for doing what I suggested as you can keep the domain (and thus your nice, personal, E-Mail address) whatever happens to your ISP as you own the domain name.

I've had my chris AT isbd.co.uk e-mail for a long, long time through many different ISPs and hosting services.

Heaven forbid Gobble should enforce security stds. ;)

nb