Yamaha Piano pedal mechanism

Aug 26, 2009 41 Replies

I don't get what the problem is here. The pot has done 7 years. It's knackered. Ho hum. Yammy will supply a direct replacement that will do probably another 7 years for just $25 shipped. That's less than 7c a week. I appreciate that the piano cost $5k (Aus ??) initially, but at the end of the day, it's not exactly a Steinway, is it ? You could pay that much for a top end LCD TV or a mediocre plasma, and find that you couldn't get parts, or that they were prohibitively expensive, as little as 2 years down the line.

You might even have just been unlucky to have your pot fail in 7 years. If Yammy don't have it available anywhere in your country, needing to de-stock it from Japan, that might suggest that there is little call for replacements.

Personally, I wouldn't give myself the grief of trying to shoehorn an alternative in, with no guarantee that it's going to perform as the original did, when a direct manufacturer's replacement is available at what I think is a very reasonable cost, and with a life expectancy of at least another 7 years. Half of that cost is probably shipping and handling anyway, so get two whilst you're at it for probably not a lot more, then you'll be ready to roll again in another seven years ... d;~}

Arfa

There used to be.

unreasonable."

That's interesting. Could you point to a reference?

One shouldn't have to go to a court.

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The obligation to provide spare parts arises from the Trade Practices Act

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It's not clear where the ACCC got their figure of ten years from.

No, one shouldn't, but the courts are the final arbiters, so it makes sense to base one's actions (to the extent that they're not voluntary actions) on what the courts would decide if asked.

Sylvia.

Ah. I keep forgetting that a large percentage of the people in this group aren't Americans. US laws are somewhat different.

How has this gone from a simple knackered pot, that *is* freely available from the manufacturer, and *is* very reasonably priced, to talk of court cases, and forcing manufacturers to supply parts .... ??

Arfa

Yep the old FC4 piano sustain pedal. Probably just a pot seeing those things have been around forever and work with some pretty basic instruments.

I'm surprised the pot needs replaced in the first place. Having one myself for what seems like ages and having a sister who plays also and owns a couple FC4 pedals that she has not had me work on.

Ah yes, though Trevor is in Australia.

Sylvia.

Such is the way of the Usenet.

Sylvia.

That is not my experience at all. Potentiometers fited to musical equipment are far from generic, and you cannot buy most of them off the shelf.

Gareth.

I'm totally with Arfa on this one. It is unlikely you will find a pot that will fit without having to bodge some way of getting it to work somehow. However it is completely likely that Yamaha will sell you the correct one which will fit and work perfectly for 7 years, as you have discovered.

I'm not really sure why there is any debate on this matter, other than the few weeks wait as the pot is not in stock.

Gareth.

On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:16:10 +0100, "Arfa Daily" put finger to keyboard and composed:

IIRC, I have two Yamaha service manuals, one for a piano (CP10) and one for an organ (Electone). I believe the organ uses a noiseless "optical pot", but I'll have to check the piano. Both instruments are probably around 20-30 years old.

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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:14:30 +0100, "Arfa Daily" put finger to keyboard and composed:

It's a corollary of Godwin's Law.

- Franc Zabkar

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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:29:43 +1000, Sylvia Else put finger to keyboard and composed:

Yamaha's YC-45D and YC-25D combo organs use optical sensors -- two wires for a 14V bulb, and two for a CdS photocell. Strictly speaking, you should measure the resistance of your pot, in the absence of power, to be sure that your device is not some fancy optical gadget that is simulating a mechanical pot. But it does sound like it may be the latter, and for $25 you would probably only want to treat this as an academic exercise to satisfy your curiosity.

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I did measure the resistance without power. It showed as 10K.

Sylvia.

That would be 'Godwin's Lawyer' which states that the longer a usenet thread runs, the more likely it is that one party will threaten another with legal action.

;)

Ron

I have three pedals on my General Music PRO-1 keyboard. Two are are KORG brand and the other is something else but the same design. I took one apart a few year ago to clean and, IIRC, it was a compression design. They work perfectly, don't fail and I only paid about $25 each. Cheers, Roger

I have three pedals on my General Music PRO-1 keyboard. Two are are KORG brand and the other is something else but the same design. I took one apart a few year ago to clean and, IIRC, it was a compression design. They work perfectly, don't fail and I only paid about $25 each. Cheers, Roger

You got me there. What's a 'compression' design ?

Arfa

On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 01:56:48 +0100, "Arfa Daily" put finger to keyboard and composed:

Strain gauge??? Capacitive transducer???

- Franc Zabkar

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Yes, a strain gauge of some type for variable resistance... it's been a while since I looked inside them! No potentiometers or linkages except pedal fulcrum. Cheers, Roger

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