I'm happier to use usenet with deliberately defunct apparent email address . I wish to get involved with a google/groups forum ( not part of usenet) . I tried registering with a valid ,but sacrifisable, email address but was refused. I have a valid gmail account but is the apparent truncation "spoofing" of gmail addresses adequate defense against spambots , if I post to google/groups ?
While on OT I 'm after what I thought would be a common place widget. An alarm that sounds or flashes when, during the current online session, the bytes recived (in particular) exceeded some number preset by yourself ,when on a paid for by the megabyte usage of mobile internet access . Anyone know of such a simple widget? googling just throws up alarm clocks. For the moment using nettxrx always on graphical display and log of bytes received and sent
Google Groups? Think of your personal stance on using social media (probably "no" to facebook and twitter) and apply accordingly. Google is hell bent on trying to offer their own, and before you know it you will be subsumed into becoming a Google+ being, paying for it with your privacy.
On the other hand, there is probably nothing stopping you opening a completely new google account, getting a new gmail address for it and then you actively refusing to engage in usage of the email service other than responding to group membership emails. Google would still track (for advertising) your posting habits on both accounts and would I suspect likely see you as the same person, but other users and spammers would not.
I tried on 2 different computers to set up a new but sacrificial Gmail account , using 2 different valid email accounts that can be sacrificed and I wouldn't mind too much but the Google buggers wanted me to surrender a bloody phone number to the bastards to verrify before proceeding onwards. Just a valid email address previously. How come the spammers can set up Gmail accounts with impunity to swamp usenet with junk but a genuine, but cautious potential user , cannot.
As you may have noticed, my email address is weakly munged here. I post a few times per month on about five Usenet groups. Not received any noticeable spam. And, google recognizes me constantly, so I only have to reconfirm password that it's me, maybe once a week. I get more spam from legitimate sources, like utilities provider, private club, alma mater, technical magazines, grocery stores, discounts, DirecTV, some unknown sources [meritline, biz ?? and so on] and daily over and over again and again from facebook and LinkedIn trying to get me to respond to something - luckily with my purposely 'out-of-date' system, those two won't let me respond, thus I have an excuse NOT to join friends on those twowebsites. So far, twitter has only given me cookies [when and how, no idea] Basically still not receiving spam caused by using the legitmate email address on Usent groups through google.
On the other hand yahoo, who handles some technical groups, makes me log and confirm it's me in almost everytime I try to do anything, yet I noticed that whenever I've used them, the spam increased into my private account. But, honestly not so much anymore, perhaps they fixed it.
As you may have noticed, my email address is weakly munged here. I post a few times per month on about five Usenet groups. Not received any noticeable spam. And, google recognizes me constantly, so I only have to reconfirm password that it's me, maybe once a week. I get more spam from legitimate sources, like utilities provider, private club, alma mater, technical magazines, grocery stores, discounts, DirecTV, some unknown sources [meritline, biz ?? and so on] and daily over and over again and again from facebook and LinkedIn trying to get me to respond to something - luckily with my purposely 'out-of-date' system, those two won't let me respond, thus I have an excuse NOT to join friends on those twowebsites. So far, twitter has only given me cookies [when and how, no idea] Basically still not receiving spam caused by using the legitmate email address on Usent groups through google.
On the other hand yahoo, who handles some technical groups, makes me log and confirm it's me in almost everytime I try to do anything, yet I noticed that whenever I've used them, the spam increased into my private account. But, honestly not so much anymore, perhaps they fixed it.
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Going into Properties, your Gmail address looks unmunged and genuine to me, or are you supposed to remove the "a" from the middle or something to get the real Gmail address? Do you post to specifically google groups at all?
AFAICS Twitter and Facebook are the worst thing since sour dough, the worst of both worlds, both excessively intrusive and excessively exclusive.
I've near enough given up on Yahoo because of all the hoops you have to jump through
It's to turn on 2-step verification, a feature that is mean't to prevent your google account from being hijacked by persons you trust _less_ than google. However, if you have natural paranoia about google having your cell phone number and other personal information, you should leave well alone. Or read their website carefully, it is explained.
You don't have to give either a current email or phone number to create a google account. Try it?
I just opened a goog account to use goog's Drive, and needed to allow cookies permission for
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to be able to use it. The same is required for accessing goog's Groups now (apparently for quite some time), even though I saw no "cookies required" notification being presented.
So, if you haven't allowed cookies to be accepted from goog, you can't sign in.. even though there's no error or notification present. Goog is worth billions? and involved in space and oceanic exploration, new car technologies and various other areas of new technologies.. and yet, won't be bothered to use a "cookies required" notification for potential new users.
Goog is becoming a global monster in data storage of it's users habits.. which is information worth a lot of money to interested parties willing to pay for it. But then, the majority of free "service" sources are doing the same.. the almighty buck/$ is worth more than any appreciation of their clients' participation in the advertising-filled services. It was worse when service entities required users to use the email supplied by their internet service companies, which made users more vulnerable.
From what I've read, the cell phone services are the same monsters, monitoring paying customers' locations and movements.
My gooly account and other online services are linked to a basically unused old mail account (not the same one as usenet newsgroups email link) so any trash doesn't continue to propagate from address sharing. I routinely just empty the spam folder for that address.. otherwise the inbox is fairly clear of trash.
BTW, munging the address that is visible doesn't prevent others from finding one's actual email address. A lot of usenet readers/participants block goog users, so using an actual newsfeed service is likely to be worthwhile. My paid APN account is only $3/mo on a monthly auto-pay feature.. which I'm sure some users wouldn't want, but I appreciate easy/simple when I can get it.
Anymore, you need to have a registered death certificate to have any privacy.
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> I'm happier to use usenet with deliberately defunct apparent email address
> .
> I wish to get involved with a google/groups forum ( not part of usenet) .
> I
> tried registering with a valid ,but sacrifisable, email address but was
> refused. I have a valid gmail account but is the apparent truncation
> "spoofing" of gmail addresses adequate defense against spambots , if I
> post
> to google/groups ?
>
> While on OT
> I 'm after what I thought would be a common place widget.
> An alarm that sounds or flashes when, during the current online session,
> the
> bytes recived (in particular) exceeded some number preset by yourself
> ,when
> on a paid for by the megabyte usage of mobile internet access .
> Anyone know of such a simple widget? googling just throws up alarm clocks.
> For the moment using nettxrx always on graphical display and log of bytes
> received and sent
>
>
I'm quite happy with humans putting the apparent em address on this posting into a search engine and usually the top hit has a cross reference , deliberately placed, to a humanly resolvable currently active em account. Which reminds me it was my first email address and coming up to 20 year anniversary in 1.5 years time
Look for a tiny box on the bottom or somewhere that lets you bypass the phone number thing.
Ihaven't created a gmail account since the early days, but every so often a screen pops up when I'm logging in, asking me for a "mobile number" for security reasons. And there is a place, I think in small characters, where I can bypass that.
Maybe they've changed the rules, but this isn't about a need for a phone number to verify, but a security feature. People are using gmail for way too much, and if someone gets in there (because the owner has given their password away, for example) there is often a lot of information thaat people would generally not want others to see. SInce gmail buy definition is about accumulating the email, rather than downloading to your own computer, it's even worse than if some random attacker gets into the email at your ISP.
So the phone becomes a secondary thing, unless someone has your password and your phone, akin to needing a bank card and the PIN to access your bank account, they can't access your gmail. Gmail could issue USB flash drives with some code on that you'd need in place to access gmail, but that would cost them money, so they figure the need for a phone adds a level of security.
But from what I've seen, it's not mandatory to have the mobile phone, just an extra layer of security.
Oddly, the 'off-topic' information has been the most interesting. It's like receiving news that has been 'peer reviewed' Except for a few spammers, complete idiots, and extreme flamers the information is not bad at all. A really good [but also sad] example, is that one OT comment mentioned Maggie Thatcher died days before the US news even covered it. I suppose it's because the US news presenters need to take up all their time talking over each other, sounding like chattering children, and generally trying to 'act' ebullient to give the listeners a 'warm, comfy' feeling, instead of information..
Yahoo groups: LTspice NEC [antenna design]
even though I have an email address there I can never figure out how to pick up messages.
I tried a third time but still trying to grab phone numbers . Apparently, not tried yet, is to use a prexisting gmail address to verify a new one. Seems strange but as part of the monetisation of gooly is obviously to encourage spammers then that makes sense, set up a geometric progression of more accounts for spammers to use. What a simple world it was in Deja-news days.
I have my own OT which is related to yours, even if it's about Yahoo and not Google.
Yahoo too truncates email addresses (it did so before google iirc) but only for the people who read a yahoo mailing list on the web. For those of us who have it emailed to them, the entire email address is visible. Interesting in itself, and maybe it even has some direct relationship to the google question.
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