Infinity crossover coil value

A crossover coil is not a telephone line.

Can't change your basic nature, can you Bob?

As was pointed out, I tried to approach you in a tactful way, and you went off on a tear.

" Arny was gracious enough to admit he had never heard of a ring test, therefore could not be expected to know. Now that may be surprising, but hardly a hanging offence."

Nonesense Bob. I've had tens of thousands of pleasant interchanges with 100s if not 1000s of people. The problem here is you and your bad attitude, which is your fault, not mine.

In the next sentence you try to rekindle the argument, as you continue to avoid taking responsibilitity for your own communication problems by blaming me.

Not true.

"...most people have never heard of it..."

But thanks Bob for showing yourself to be a liar, as well as a person who can't take responsibilty for his own actions.

So what? Over the years they've marketed 100s if not thousands of different products. Their market is primarily the service industry, starting out with radio and TV service.

Currently about 120 different products, none of which has the word "ring" in its name.

Bob, you yourself admit that a ring test is primarily a test of communication lines. Here's a news flash - communications lines use inductors as loading coils. In the context of a speaker, this does not make a lot of sense.

As stated they form a mystery, not a masterpiece of effective communication skills.

Here's some news flashes for you Bob - if you want help try not to write mysteries, and when people try to treat you tactfully, don't spit on them. I tried to treat you with kid gloves and here you are again gratuitously attacking me. How Phildo-like of you.

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Arny Krueger
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So days after the thread, did you wife kick you out of bed and you woke up with a bad attitude? Still no technical answers out of you Arny.

I am sorry for your lack of some technical knowledge. For techies and people in the repair industry coil ring tests are common knowledge. Sencore test equipment and usage are common knowledge. And "ringing out a line" has been known for years too. Common word "ring", different usage in the industry. That term probably originated with telephone companies who tested lines for current draw and the "ringer" ringing. Phones don't have bells anymore like the old days for the most part, but they don have a ringer equivalence rating.

The only "MYSTERY" here Arny, was the value of the coil. If you don't know something, don't try to bullshit your way through a thread. Like you obviously have many times in the past. And this thread is posted in a electronics repair group. Where people KNOW what a coil ring test is. And know what test equipment is and how it works.

I am going to order a few standard values (starting with .13) and sub them in and see what happens with a sweep test. It would have been so much easier just to have a good coil to measure or a schematic of the crossover with values listed. With the coil melted, its futile to try to rewind it. And i wanted heavier gauge wire anyway.

Bob

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Bob Urz

Who knows? The caps are listed with values (on the crossover). But the coils are not. I would like to know how there advertising claims in the PDF match

Bob the circuit topology of the circuit i found on the crossover.

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Bob Urz

No, it took me that long to find out that you were up to your usual back-stabbing ways, Bob.

That's another lie, Bob. I gave you several technical answers, the first on

1/19/2007.

Bob, I've got *some technical knowlege*, just not *all* technical knowlege. If you had more technical knowlege perhaps you'd appreciate the irony of the current situation. ;-)

I've been aware of them since the mid-1950s when I read some articles about motor rewinding in Popular Science or Popular Mechanics. Please pardon me if I can't remember which of the two magazines it was some 50-odd years later. Thing is, I've gone many a decade without having to contend with shorted turn problems so I'm a tad rusty in that department.

If one stays away from TV shops, one tends to not see Sencore test equipment. Heck, I used to both use and sell the stuff when I worked in that Lafayette Radio store when I was a teen. But that was more like 45 years ago, and not every thing I ever did is exactly in the front of my mind.

As usual Bob, what you find interesting and novel is old hat to some more experienced hands.

Letsee Bob I've caught you in three rather obvious lies related to this thread, so who is it that's B-Sing?

LOL!

Reply to
Arny Krueger

well output would be low if L has become R.. but i'll bet ya the tweeters are fried or half fried too.

i know it will affect the x-over somewhat but i would consider adding a small series resistor once the coil value has been determined. just to reduce the possibility of a callback.... or maybe a diac (back to back zeners) across it.

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TimPerry

Actually, it has a network that puts 1 to 4 ohms in series with the tweeter to reduce the level. I just left that out of the diagram.

Bob

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Bob Urz

Their claim holds for the first octave downwards as far as the tweeter is concerned, the usual expectation is that a cross-over spec holds water until 20 dB down and they clearly specify it to be about acoustic output. You give the impression of having understood the x-over spec to be about the output voltage from of the x-over rather than about acheived acoustic output?

The pdf you linked to does contain a graph of x-over output voltage as well as driver output spl, so yes, you do not know the exact value of the coil, but you do have a target curve to compare to. As it probably is a stereo system you also have a non-defunct x-over, unless I missed you somewhere saying that both sides were damaged.

Regards Peter Larsen

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Peter Larsen

i meant one in series with the fried coil. the car owner will surely crank up the tunes to try to autodestruct it the very first thing.

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TimPerry

Probably pretty much what you measured Bob. Shorted turns ruin the Q of the coil, but crossovers aren't usually exactly what we'd call high-Q circuits. The fact that the coil measures out with an inductance that is in the same range as the other coil in the circuit suggests that what you measured is a fairly believable number. Since you've been provided the spectral response of the voltage across the driver, you have the means to verify the effectivness of the replacement coil.

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Arny Krueger

I finally got the passive crossover design 5.1.xls to work on the computer. I had to download a program to remove spread sheet protection and it allowed me to substitute values in. It seems the .13 value is pretty close if i can believe the plotted values. I have some coils on order now to try. I used the 15.7 and 14ufd values as fixed values and subbed the coil values in and it plotted the curves.

Bob

Bob

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Bob Urz

Thanks you! - nice to know the outcome.

Regards

Peter Larsen

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Peter Larsen

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