bose wave radio

Sep 22, 2009 38 Replies

I disagree that it's nebulous -- it has a fairly clear meaning -- but nebulosity is a form of misrepresentation.

My superior knowledge did. And if I were about to buy a Mercedes and you thought it was a poor decision, why _shouldn't_ you tell me how you feel?

They are when people claim that expensive products are rarely, if ever, worth what they cost.

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I've never cared much for Vandersteens, because I find them (as I find many audiophile speakers) insipid-sounding. But...

Did you buy the Vandersteens and the Music Reference electronics because some unknown writer at Popular Science told you how great they sounded? Or because you blindly believed the advertising literature? I doubt it. You bought them because you sat down and listened carefully, COMPARING THEM WITH OTHER PRODUCTS, and decided that this was the that it met your needs, and IT was reasonbly priced for the sound it delivered. Right? It was a more or less rational decision, not one (much) influenced by advertising hype or lies about the products.

If someone had told you that there were other brands of speakers or amplifiers you might like better, would you have listened to them before making your final decision? You probably would have, because you no doubt wanted to spend your money wisely. And it doesn't matter whether you're spending $500, $5,000, or $50,000.

Do you think most Wave customers make their purchase on a similar basis? What shouldn't they be told they're making a mistake? Do you _like_ seeing people waste their money?

I said nothing of the sort. You read what you wanted to read.

There is an odd parallel between the Mac and the Bose, and Windows and component systems. The former are pretty much closed systems, the latter are far more "open". The main difference, though, is that when you buy a Mac, you get a good computer at a reasonable price.

Windows machines, though, do offer a wider range of software and hardware. This may or may not be a good thing, depending on your needs.

No problem. I misread, too.

I ought to clarify what I meant (if I haven't already). The thing that makes the Macintosh so appealing -- that it is, to some degree, a closed system -- is what works against it if the particular piece of software or hardware you need isn't available for it. As a programmer-writer, I need and use software that just isn't available for the Mac.

Windows is an open system -- too much, perhaps. It has to handle a wider range of software and hardware, and Microsoft doesn't do enough to enforce standards that would minimize or eliminate conflicts or crashes.

When the day comes that you can buy a Macintosh that runs Mac and Windows software simultaneously, and allows for data interchange between Mac and Windows software, I'll buy one. This seems extremely difficult to do, but it seems both necessary and inevitable.

By the way, Microsoft is supposedly working on the next version of Windows, which will have a complete rewrite of the Windows "core", modularizing it and removing most of the software dependencies that cause so many problems. This will (supposedly) grossly reduce its size, improve its stability, and make it easier to add features.

Haven't they said this about every version of Windows in the last 15 years?

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Probably, but tell that to people whose needs aren't supported by the Mac.

For the reason I stated. I want Mac and Windows programs to be able to cooperate. Otherwise, you might as well have separate computers. (Well...)

You're making my point for me. Beta was a superbly well-compromised consumer product. VHS was crap.

For me, the answer was "LV". (I used Beta for time-shifting.)

I don't understand exactly what you mean. Obviously not everyone can afford to buy higher-quality equipment, which often costs more. There's room for all kinds of equipment, to meet different needs.

My experience has been that when people are exposed to "better" things, they recognized the superiority on their own, without having to be told or "convinced". As the people in this group are generally much more knowledgable about consumer electronics that the average person, are we not obliged to inform them that they can spend less and get more, when that is indeed the case?

Actually, a component system with a small receiver and an outboard CD player requires only two power cords, two speaker cables, and one audio cable. Hardly Laocoon-ish.

In my opionion, Bose's success is largely due to perfecting a "no-brainer" interface, of the sort Band & Olufsen never got right. (If you know how to operate a conventional audio system, a B&O product can be thoroughly confusing.)

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It would perfectly okay with me if BOSE didn't so blatantly LIE about the quality of their products.

I pretty much agree with the points that Smitty has made here and, with respect, you still haven't answered my question as to what exactly you meant by replying initially to the OP with the statement

"Asking for assistance with a Bose product is asking for trouble"

The only reason that I can see for you saying that is that by admitting to owning a Bose, he is putting himself up for unwarranted derision and abuse.

Perhaps if you so passionately believe that Bose as a company, are fundamentally liars - not just advertising hype users, or statement embellishers, but out and out liars - you should put this to their corporate legal department and see if they are prepared to defend their position.

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I did respond, but I'll repeat it -- that the poster is likely to be assaulted with suggestions that he get rid of the Bose and buy something cheaper and better.

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Why? I can't sue Bose because I haven't been directly harmed by their lies.

"We", on the other hand, are in a position to spread the truth. Why shouldn't we? (That's not a rhetorical remark.)

If they're working on it now, I'll expect to see the result in saleable (read: Microsoft's usual beta software) around 2019.

One meter, to within 0.0125% accuracy (off by just under .005 inches): Three feet Three inches Three eights of an inch

This has become a circular argument, so you stick with your position, I'll stick with mine, and we'll just agree to differ ...

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Bose is overrated. Much like the Chargers but that doesn't stop from selling out to crowds of fools.

Again, well put Smitty. I think that just about encompasses my position too. There's probably a lot more that I could put to it as well, but as I said, this has now become a circular argument with this particular individual, and I am rapidly losing the will to live (again - seems to happen about once a month on here lately ... !! )

Arfa

I understand what you're talking about. I just feel that I have an obligation to spread the truth (!!!) and to keep people from wasting their money. If they choose to do it anyway, it's not my fault, and there was no harm in trying to help.

The other component of this issue is whether people should speak up when a company either grossly misrepresents or lies about its products or services. I say "yes".

Wow, almost 50 responses, and only one that pertains to actually repairing it (from Andy Cuffe, thank you). It's amazing, because whether Bose sucks or not, I don't care. I didn't buy it, and I'm only interested in repairing it.

I also own this system which in all honesty is the best that I have owned and heard (for the price). My system started playing up, and some CD's wouldn't eject, other refused to go in without a small push. I sent it off to the local importer repair service, it came back after a week completly cured of all it's ills, maybe you too have a rogue player, I suggest that you send it to your nearest authorised repair center.

hey guys, Im working on a bose wave radio m#awr1-1w I found a transistor shorted in the front of the power supply Q4 I replaced it and it came on and worked for a day. Now it has the same symptoms but Q4 is good. The symptoms are no sound , no display and when you unplug it , it makes a wierd discharge sound in the speaker. Any ideas.



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Yes, Next time you find a bad component, try to find out why it went defective. Could be bad solder joints, bad capacitors, other transistors, etc. I would start by checking the components that are directly connected to the transistor you changed, and working your way out from there.

If you don't have schematics, look for the six digit number on the main board, and mail me direct off-group. With that number, I should be able to fix you up with service info, and any help you might need with the repair. Note that there are several different versions of the Wave Radio, and the basic model number is not a lot of help with identifying them, or knowing which components you are actually referring to. Some versions have a fusible resistor fitted in the power supply, which fails for no apparent reason, but which may in your case have been stressed, if it's present, by the failure of Q4. The symptoms are pretty much what you describe when it goes open.

Arfa

i always read people complaining about Bose devices and still wonder why they are still using them, I no longer like Bose because of their problems and usually require additional devices.

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