Mikhail, ÔÙ Åݣ ÚÄÅÓØ ÓÉÄÉÛØ?
ðÑÔÎÉÃÁ ñÎ×ÁÒØ 14 2005 23:24, Dima Orlov wrote to Mikhail Samoilenko:ëÓÔÁÔÉ, ÅÓÌÉ ÅÓÔØ ÇÅÎÅÒÁÔÏÒ ÐÒÅÃÉÚÉÏÎÎÏÊ ÞÁÓÔÏÔÙ - ÍÏÖÎÏ ÐÒÏÇÒÁÍÍÎÙÊ æáðþ ÏÒÇÁÎÉÚÏ×ÁÔØ, Ó ×Ù×ÏÄÏÍ ÔÅËÕÝÅÇÏ ÚÎÁÞÅÎÉÑ OSCCAL ÎÁ ÐÒÏÓÔÅÎØËÉÊ ÄÉÓÐÌÅÊÞÉË. ðÏÔÏÍ ÕÓÔÁÎÏ×É×ÛÅÅÓÑ ÚÎÁÞÅÎÉÅ ÐÒÏÐÉÓÙ×ÁÔØ × "ËÏÒÒÅËÔÉÒÕÀÝÕÀ" ËÏÍÁÎÄÕ CALL ÏÄÎÏËÒÉÓÔÁÌÌËÉ ;)
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á ÍÏÖÎÏ É ÂÅÚ æáðþ.Michael G. Belousoff
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Alexander, ÔÙ Åݣ ÚÄÅÓØ ÓÉÄÉÛØ?
óÕÂÂÏÔÁ ñÎ×ÁÒØ 15 2005 11:18, Alexander Torres wrote to Mikhail Samoilenko:MS>> ñ ÄÅÌÁÀ ÔÁË, ËÁË ÚÁÄÏËÕÍÅÎÔÉÒÏ×ÁÎÏ - ÐÒÏÃÅÄÕÒÙ Call × ÎÁÞÁÌÅ É MS>> Retlw × ÐÏÓÌÅÄÎÅÊ ÑÞÅÊËÅ. åÓÌÉ retlw ÎÅ ÂÕÄÅÔ - ÐÒÏÇÒÁÍÍÁ c MS>> ÓÁÍÏÇÏ ÎÁÞÁÌÁ, ÇÄÅ AT> ôÁË Õ ÔÅÂÑ ÐÉËÉ ÉÚ ÎÏ×ÙÈ, × ÓÔÁÒÙÈ ÂÙÌÏ ËÁË Ñ × ÐÉÓØÍÅ Ë öÏÒÅ ÏÐÉÓÙ×ÁÌ
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Alexander Torres snipped-for-privacy@f28.n.z2.fidonet.org> ÐÉÛÅÔ × ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÉ: snipped-for-privacy@f28.n.z2.ftn...
ðÏÞÅÍÕ ÎÅ ÐÒÏÈÏÄÉÔ? ñ ÎÅ ÎÁÛÅÌ × ÄÁÔÁÛÉÔÅ ÎÉËÁËÏÊ Ó×ÑÚÉ brown-out É MCLR, ×ÒÏÄÅ ÂÙ ÏÎÉ ÁÂÓÏÌÀÔÎÏ ÎÅÚÁ×ÉÓÉÍÙ. ëÁË Ñ Ó×ÏÉÍ ÓËÕÄÎÙÍ ÕÍÉÛËÏÍ ÐÏÎÑÌ, /MCLR ÄÌÑ ÓÂÒÏÓÁ ÐÒÉ ×ËÌÀÞÅÎÎÉÉ ÎÅ ÉÓÐÏÌØÚÕÅÔÓÑ (ÎÏ ÍÏÖÅÔØ ÅÇÏ ÚÁÄÅÒÖÁÔØ ÅÓÌÉ ÉÓÐÏÌØÚÕÅÔÓÑ ×ÎÅÛÎÑÑ ÃÅÐØ Ó ËÏÎÄÅÎÓÁÔÏÒÏÍ). åÓÔØ ÕÐÏÍÉÎÁÎÉÅ, ÞÔÏ ÄÌÑ PowerOnReset "maximum rise time for Vdd is required". úÁ ÜÔÉÍ maximum time ÉÄÅÔ ÏÔÓÙÌ Ë ÓÅËÃÉÉ 12.0 ÄÁÔÁÛÉÔÁ ÇÄÅ Ï ÎÅÍ ÂÌÁÇÏÐÏÌÕÞÎÏ ÎÉÞÅÇÏ ÎÅ ÕÐÏÍÉÎÁÅÔÓÑ (×ÏÏÂÝÅ ×ÓÑ 12 ÇÌÁ×Á ÐÒÏ electrical specifications ÓÏ×ÅÒÛÅÎÎÏ ÎÅÕÄÏÂÏÞÉÔÁÅÍÁ, ÐÏ ËÏÌÉÞÅÓÔ×Õ ÓÏËÒÁÝÅÎÉÊ É ÁÂÂÒÅ×ÉÁÔÕÒ - ÏÄÉÎ × ÏÄÉÎ ËÁË ÓÏ×ËÏ×ÁÑ ÄÏËÕÍÅÎÔÁÃÉÑ - ÎÅ ÐÒÏÄÅÒÅÛØÓÑ). äÁ É ÏÓÔÁÌØÎÏÅ... óÔÁÌ ÒÁÚÂÉÒÁÔØÓÑ Ó ÎÏÇÏÊ GP3/ /MCLR. ÷ ÏÐÉÓÁÎÉÉ CONFIG word ÎÁÐÉÓÁÎÏ: ....ÂÉÔ MCLRE=1 - GP3/ /MCLR pin function is /MCLR; ÂÉÔ MCLRE=0 - GP3/ /MCLR pin function is digital I/O (ÈÏÔÑ ËÁËÏÊ ÎÁÆÉÇ O, ÅÓÌÉ ÜÔÏ ÔÏÌØËÏ ×ÈÏÄ), /MCLR is internally tied to Vdd... ÷ ÇÌÁ×Å Reset: ...An internal /MCLR option is enabled by setting the MCLRE bit in config word. When enabled, ÎÅ-MCLR is internally tied to Vdd... ÷ÏÔ É ÄÏÇÁÄÙ×ÁÊÓÑ, ÞÔÏ ÐÒÏÉÓÈÏÄÉÔ Ó ÜÔÉÍ MCLRE É ÎÏÇÏÊ GP3. ÷ ÅÒÒÁÔÅ ÎÅÔ ÎÉÞÅÇÏ ÐÒÏ ÜÔÏ. äÁÔÁÛÉÔ ÐÒÏÉÚ×ÏÄÉÔ ×ÐÅÞÁÔÌÅÎÉÅ ÏÞÅÎØ ÓÙÒÏÇÏ, ÈÏÔÑ ÅÍÕ ÔÒÉ ÇÏÄÁ ÐÏÞÔÉ. :-( ëÁË Ñ × ËÏÎÃÅ ËÏÎÃÏ× ÐÏÎÑÌ, ÐÒÉ ÕÓÔÁÎÏ×ÌÅÎÎÏÍ ÂÉÔÅ BODEN ÓÂÒÏÓ (ÚÁÐÕÓË powerup ÔÁÊÍÅÒÁ) ÐÒÏÉÓÈÏÄÉÔ ÐÏ ËÏÍÐÁÒÁÔÏÒÕ ÓÈÅÍÙ BOD, Á Vdd rise detect (ËÏÔÏÒÙÊ Õ ÍÅÎÑ ÐÏÈÏÖÅ ÎÅ ÓÒÁÂÁÔÙ×ÁÌ ÉÚ-ÚÁ ÎÅÄÏÓÔÁÔÏÞÎÏ ÂÙÓÔÒÏÇÏ ÒÏÓÔÁ ÎÁÐÒÑÖÅÎÉÑ ÐÉÔÁÎÉÑ) ÉÇÎÏÒÉÒÕÅÔÓÑ.Sunday January 16 2005 21:27, George Shepelev wrote to Alexander Torres:
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GS> óÕÂÂÏÔÁ ñÎ×ÁÒØ 15 2005 11:18, Alexander Torres wrote to Mikhail GS> Samoilenko: GS>
MS>>> ñ ÄÅÌÁÀ ÔÁË, ËÁË ÚÁÄÏËÕÍÅÎÔÉÒÏ×ÁÎÏ - ÐÒÏÃÅÄÕÒÙ Call × ÎÁÞÁÌÅ É MS>>> Retlw × ÐÏÓÌÅÄÎÅÊ ÑÞÅÊËÅ. åÓÌÉ retlw ÎÅ ÂÕÄÅÔ - ÐÒÏÇÒÁÍÍÁ c MS>>> ÓÁÍÏÇÏ ÎÁÞÁÌÁ, ÇÄÅ AT>> ôÁË Õ ÔÅÂÑ ÐÉËÉ ÉÚ ÎÏ×ÙÈ, × ÓÔÁÒÙÈ ÂÙÌÏ ËÁË Ñ × ÐÉÓØÍÅ Ë öÏÒÅ AT>> ÏÐÉÓÙ×ÁÌ GS>
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Alexander Torres, 2:461/28 aka 2:461/640.28 aka 2:5020/6400.28 aka snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com
Monday January 17 2005 07:16, George Shepelev wrote to Alexander Torres:
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äÁ ÐÒÉÞÅÍ ÔÕÔ "ÍÏÉ" ? ôÅÂÑ ÄÁ×ÎÏ ÏÔÓÀÄÁ ÎÅ ÏÔËÌÀÞÁÌÉ? :)GS> ÉÓËÌÀÞÉÔÅÌØÎÏ × ÃÅÌÑÈ ÐÏÔÅÛÉÔØ Ô×ϣ ÂÏÌØÎÏÅ ÓÁÍÏÌÀÂÉÅ, Ñ ÕÖÅ ÌÅÔ 5 ÎÅ GS> ÐÏÄÐÉÓÁÎ.
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Michael, ÔÙ Åݣ ÚÄÅÓØ ÓÉÄÉÛØ?
÷ÏÓËÒÅÓÅÎØÅ ñÎ×ÁÒØ 16 2005 19:56, Michael Belousoff wrote to George Shepelev:GS>> ëÓÔÁÔÉ, ÅÓÌÉ ÅÓÔØ ÇÅÎÅpÁÔÏp ÐpÅÃÉÚÉÏÎÎÏÊ ÞÁÓÔÏÔÙ - ÍÏÖÎÏ GS>> ÐpÏÇpÁÍÍÎÙÊ æáðþ ÏpÇÁÎÉÚÏ×ÁÔØ, Ó ×Ù×ÏÄÏÍ ÔÅËyÝÅÇÏ ÚÎÁÞÅÎÉÑ OSCCAL GS>> ÎÁ ÐpÏÓÔÅÎØËÉÊ ÄÉÓÐÌÅÊÞÉË. ðÏÔÏÍ yÓÔÁÎÏ×É×ÛÅÅÓÑ ÚÎÁÞÅÎÉÅ GS>> ÐpÏÐÉÓÙ×ÁÔØ × "ËÏppÅËÔÉpyÀÝyÀ" ËÏÍÁÎÄy CALL ÏÄÎÏËpÉÓÔÁÌÌËÉ ;) MB> á ÍÏÖÎÏ É ÂÅÚ æáðþ.
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çÅÏÒÇÉÊAlexander, ÔÙ Åݣ ÚÄÅÓØ ÓÉÄÉÛØ?
ðÏÎÅÄÅÌØÎÉË ñÎ×ÁÒØ 17 2005 07:48, Alexander Torres wrote to George Shepelev:GS>> åݣ ÒÁÚ ÐÏ×ÔÏÒÑÀ - ÏÔÕÞÁÊÓÑ ÈÁÍÉÔØ, ÕÞÉÓØ _×ÎÉÍÁÔÅÌØÎÏ_ ÞÉÔÁÔØ GS>> ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÑ É ÄÏËÕÍÅÎÔÁÃÉÀ, ÐÒÅÖÄÅ ÞÅÍ ÓÔÒÏÞÉÔØ ÅÒÕÎÄÕ × ÜÈÕ. AT> öÏÒÁ, ×ÏÔ É ÏÔÕÞÁÊÓÑ. AT> ïÓÏÂÅÎÎÏ - ÈÁÍÉÔØ.
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Alexander, ÔÙ Åݣ ÚÄÅÓØ ÓÉÄÉÛØ?
ðÏÎÅÄÅÌØÎÉË ñÎ×ÁÒØ 17 2005 22:29, Alexander Torres wrote to George Shepelev:AT>>>>> HÅÔ öÏÒÁ, GS>>>> ÷Ï-ÐÅÒ×ÙÈ, ÐÏÐÙÔÁÊÓÑ ÏÔÕÞÉÔØÓÑ ÈÁÍÉÔØ, ÐÏËÁ Åݣ ÎÅ GS>>>> ÜËÓËÏÍÍÕÎÉÃÉÒÏ×ÁÌÉ! AT>>> öÏÒÁ, ÔÙ ÈÁÍÉÛØ × ÜÈÁÈ ÌÅÔ ×ÏÓÅÍØ. GS>> óËÁÚËÉ ÚÁËÁÎÞÉ×ÁÊ ÒÁÓÓËÁÚÙ×ÁÔØ. é ÈÁÍÉÔØ ÐÒÅËÒÁÝÁÊ, ÕÖ ÔÙ Ó GS>> ïÒÌÏ×ÙÍ ÔÏÞÎÏ AT> öÏÒÁ, ÈÁÍÉÔ ÔÙ ÐÒÅËÒÁÝÁÊ!
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Hello, George! You wrote to Alexander Torres on Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:41:06 +0300:
GS> Alexander, ÔÙ Åݣ ÚÄÅÓØ ÓÉÄÉÛØ?
GS> ðÏÎÅÄÅÌØÎÉË ñÎ×ÁÒØ 17 2005 22:29, Alexander Torres wrote to George GS> Shepelev:
AT>>>>>> HÅÔ öÏÒÁ, GS>>>>> ÷Ï-ÐÅÒ×ÙÈ, ÐÏÐÙÔÁÊÓÑ ÏÔÕÞÉÔØÓÑ ÈÁÍÉÔØ, ÐÏËÁ Åݣ ÎÅ GS>>>>> ÜËÓËÏÍÍÕÎÉÃÉÒÏ×ÁÌÉ! AT>>>> öÏÒÁ, ÔÙ ÈÁÍÉÛØ × ÜÈÁÈ ÌÅÔ ×ÏÓÅÍØ. GS>>> óËÁÚËÉ ÚÁËÁÎÞÉ×ÁÊ ÒÁÓÓËÁÚÙ×ÁÔØ. é ÈÁÍÉÔØ ÐÒÅËÒÁÝÁÊ, ÕÖ ÔÙ Ó GS>>> ïÒÌÏ×ÙÍ ÔÏÞÎÏ AT>> öÏÒÁ, ÈÁÍÉÔ ÔÙ ÐÒÅËÒÁÝÁÊ!
GS> èÁÍÉÛØ ÔÙ É ïÒÌÏ×. íÎÏÇÏ-ÍÎÏÇÏ ÌÅÔ. ÷ÏÔ ×Ù É ÐÒÅËÒÁÝÁÊÔÅ!
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GS> äÏÂÉ×ÁÅÛØÓÑ, ÞÔÏÂÙ ÔÅÂÑ ÏÔËÌÀÞÉÌÉ ÎÁ×ÓÅÇÄÁ?
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ðÒÉÎÀÈÁÌÓÑ. äÅÒØÍÏ ×ÓÅ ÔÏÖÅ ÞÔÏ É ÂÙÌÏ - Ô×ÏÅ.With best regards, Alex Torres. E-mail: snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com
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Thursday January 20 2005 22:28, George Shepelev wrote to Alex Torres:
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