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Please note that I dont have logrotate either syslogd in my system. I
have simple klogd logs  messages to a file.

Without stopping klogd, I simply copy the log file to a backup place,
and empty the log file
with echo >  log_file.

The problem I have after I did that, when klog put next message into
the log file, it also add alot of invisible char in the front of the

Any one knows how to get rid of it?

I do not want add more tools into my system.

Re: rotate log file
Try mv logfile newdestination

Next logentry from syslogd generates new logfile.

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Re: rotate log file
If I did mv logfile newdestinatin, which means I delete the logfile. I
think I should keep the file existence.

If I delete it, klogd never put anything into the new file. BTW I do
not have syslogd in my system.

Re: rotate log file
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.embedded, in article

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klogd will continue to write to the file - no matter how the name has changed.
It's writing to a file handle, not the file name.  This is why deleting the
file ALSO has no effect until the process that has the file open actually
closes it.

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Have you tried that?

        Old guy

Re: rotate log file
If you
mv file someelse.
The file no longer exist. How klogd can write to it? I did not work.
I think I have to live with those charactors at the front of file.
Porblem is they
"next line", and there are more than 1 k of them.

Re: rotate log file

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The problem is that you were truncating the file without
killing and restarting klogd.  That's no worse that
the race condition between making a copy of the log
and when the truncation was done.  Since klogd has
an open file descriptor during the truncation, it
knows that it was writing at byte 56,789* of the
logfile, and the next message will be written at
that byte.  The file will have a hole from byte 0
to 56,788.  I'm surprised that there were anything
but null characters in that space.  Depending on
the underlying filesystem, the space for that hole
could be allocated when the first write happens,
when the first read after of the hole, or not at all.
If space is allocated, you have done nothing to
shrink the file.

If you don't want to use syslogd, I suggest killing
klogd, moving the file, and then restarting klogd.
I believe the kernel has a reasonably sized buffer,
so that you shouldn't even lose log messages during
this, unless you have a lot of log messages.  Your
method has a race condition between copying the file
and truncating the file where log messages could be lost.

* number made up for purposes of illustration.
John Haller

Re: rotate log file
On 7 Dec 2005, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.embedded, in article

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The concept is the same as 'unlink (2)'.  The application that is using
a file only cares about the file name when it begins using the file.
There after, it's referring to a file handle that points to the file
on the disk. You can you can delete the file, or move it, and the
application does not know this - and does not care. It's still writing
to those blocks on the disk.

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The "normal" mechanism is to stop and restart the application that is
writing to the file. You could also try sending the application a -HUP
signal, which may cause it to re-read things - including the filename.
This might be as simple as 'killall -HUP klogd' after you truncate the

        Old guy

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