Ultrasonic - Basic questions newbie!!

:-) All was an old nickname for me, but I early quit this, after comming in contact with english peoples :-)

My english isn't perfect, but do I understand, that you'll transmit, emit, receive ultrasonic with a wire from/to the ambience?

I think, that's nearly impossible. Normally you emit US with some kind of piezo cristals (with bad efficency), even electromagnic pulsers (EMP) are possible (with much worser efficency) but I never heard of a wire, which is able to emitting US easy. Maybe that there is some effect of magnetostrictive things, but you shurely need lots of mW of power.

If you will use the wire only for transportation of the US, that will work. US will travel on some kind of resistor-wire (Constantan ?), also on other metall as steel or copper. But in all these applications, the US is generated by piezo or EMP and it's not as easy to induce and much harder to pickup that signal to/from wire. And the greater the diameter of the material, the better it works. However, you could get reflections from the end of the wire, which are sometimes not easy to kill/suppress. A damper for US on wires is not an easy job.

Also having a constant sound speed is not easy, so Constantan mentioned. I've made uC programms for transmitting US via 90..150m of strait vertical pulled wire with high pull tension, just to measure the position of elevator-cabins.

Saludos Wolfgang

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Hi All,

I'm trying to put together a new project and I my aim is to have a long length of wire and it has to transmitt ultrasonic at low levels along the length of the wire.

So to get me started I need to know what equipment I need to buy? I realise its not that easy but I have to start somewhere.

Can anyone help?

Cheers

Colin

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techcs

No, no-one can help. What is it you're trying to do? Ultrasonic SOUND? Down a WIRE?

How long is a "long length of wire" ? Be aware that even the very best co-axial cables have high attenuations and you're going to need booster amplifiers ever few score kilometres. If you're crossing any substantial bodies of water, you have to consider maintenance and service aspects for these amplifiers, as well as high-voltage DC supply to the ends of the cable. Have you started the environmental impact statements and obtaining rights-of-way from the affected landowners?

Undoubtedly the best equipment for your specification is the Binford

6100.

Bill

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Bill Shymanski

THX, very interesting. I would not believe, that something will be possible. So forget my rubbish about cables for transmitting US.

Saludos Wolfgang

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You need to use for example this product:

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I do not think, that the effectivity will be significant, but it could work, at least in water. W. Bicz

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optel

THX, you made my day :-)

Saludos Wolfgang

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Wolfgang Allinger

This is not necessary a rubbish. Sound transmission through cables or something of this kind could be very realistic, but to achieve good performance you must consider, that all such structures are waveguides and only some modes will transfer with small loss and changes.

It is not a very popular knowledge, that the attenuation of some types sound waves in some materials (for example crystals) is significantly lower than the attenuation of other kind of waves or electron transmission. From energetic point of view it could be interesting to use this possibility. But as far as I know, nobody is seriously considering this today.

W. Bicz

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