Re: What's that black dust in monitors?

You didnt, you waffled on about 'brown clouds', which just happen to be completely and utterly irrelevant to what was being discussed, where that jet black soot inside monitors comes from.

Air that is colored brown but transparent, in spades.

And you clearly originally said 'fairly transparent' and you have now attempted to slither off to just 'transparent'

Even you should be able to grasp that that cant possibly the be source of the jet black soot seen inside monitors.

Crap. I said that the brown haze I WAS TALKING ABOUT is particles and

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clearly says that particles are the 'principal' cause of 'brown clouds'

Pity its completely and utterly irrelevant to what was being discussed, WHERE THE JET BLACK SOOT SEEN IN MONITORS COMES FROM.

Pity its completely and utterly irrelevant to what was being discussed, WHERE THE JET BLACK SOOT SEEN IN MONITORS COMES FROM.

It clearly says that the 'principal' cause of 'brown cloud' is particles.

Which just happens to be completely and utterly irrelevant to what was being discussed, WHERE THE JET BLACK SOOT SEEN IN MONITORS COMES FROM.

It clearly is with THE HAZE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

Wrong. And you initially said 'fairly transparent' anyway.

The brown is just the particles.

And its all completely and utterly irrelevant to what was being discussed, WHERE THE JET BLACK SOOT SEEN IN MONITORS COMES FROM.

Bullshit. And clearly at nothing like the levels seen in major citys, so you should see significantly less of that jet black soot inside monitors used on pacific islands than in major citys, and you dont.

Basic logic.

Your terminally silly 'soot magnet' theory has blown up in your face and covered you with black stuff very spectacularly indeed.

At nothing like the levels seen in major polluted citys.

Pity the pacific islands dont even get those 'brown clouds' that it is clearly discussing.

Pity the pacific islands dont even get those 'brown clouds' that it is clearly discussing.

Pity the NOx levels seen in thunderstorm clouds aint even visible.

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Pity about the first para.

Pity about the first para.

I didnt snip it out, it was quoted where it appeared, much further down.

All completely and utterly irrelevant to where the jet black soot seen inside monitors even on pacific islands with f*ck all diesel engines in use.

Basic logic.

All completely and utterly irrelevant to where the jet black soot seen inside monitors even on pacific islands with f*ck all diesel engines in use.

Basic logic.

Reams of your completely irrelevant crap about 'brown clouds' flushed where it belongs.

Doesnt have a damned thing to do with what was being discussed, WHERE THE JET BLACK SOOT FOUND INSIDE MONITORS IS COMING FROM.

Yep.

I didnt even comment on what CAUSES an inversion, I was just saying that its the inversion that inversion effect that produces smoke reaching only that level.

Have fun explaining why it rises.

Lie. I JUST said that diesel soot can only be a tiny part of the total number of particles that produce a 'brown cloud'

Pity it does even on pacific islands with f*ck all diesel engines.

Basic logic.

Reams more completely irrelevant crap that has no relevance what so ever to where the jet black soot found in monitors on pacific islands with f*ck all diesel engines, flushed where it belongs.

Where ITS CLEAR VISIBLE AS BROWN CLOUD.

It obviously aint with pacific islands that dont even get the brown cloud effect.

Nope, because it clearly isnt a visible BROWN CLOUD there.

He didnt cite a single study and the OTHER individual that did, didnt say a damned thing about the levels seen with pacific islands.

AND we just happen to have an atmospheric monitoring station in Tasmania, whose primary role is to monitor the levels of greenhouse gases AND THEY DONT FIND SIGNIFICANT LEVELS IN THE AIR THERE.

So your terminally silly 'soot magnet' theory has blown up in your face and covered you with black stuff very spectacularly indeed.

Doesnt matter a damn what he may or may not 'think'

What matters is that the measured soot levels are f*ck all compared with what is seen in major polluted industrial citys and since the same effect with jet black soot seen inside monitors happens in both, it cant be your terminally silly 'soot magnet' theory that explains that.

Basic logic.

Reams of irrelevant crap about diesel engines flushed where it belongs.

Pity pacific islands DONT GET THOSE BROWN CLOUDS ITS DISCUSSING THERE.

Pity pacific islands DONT GET THOSE BROWN CLOUDS ITS DISCUSSING THERE.

visible mass!

Pity pacific islands DONT GET THOSE BROWN CLOUDS ITS DISCUSSING THERE.

Pity pacific islands DONT GET THOSE BROWN CLOUDS ITS DISCUSSING THERE.

Pity pacific islands DONT GET THOSE BROWN CLOUDS ITS DISCUSSING THERE.

Pity pacific islands DONT GET THOSE BROWN CLOUDS ITS DISCUSSING THERE.

Pity about the scientific measurements, whatever Ken claims.

I doubt anyone has ever bothered to measure that.

Reply to
Rod Speed
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You claim particles and in the past claimed it's dust and not jet black soot. You are ignoring my pointing out that your favored

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says as I claim that the brown color is from nitrogen dioxide and that plenty of soot is present. You seem to think that your favored web page saying particles are the principle cause of the cloud negates that same page saying nitrogen dioxide gives the cloud its color.

Relevant to you saying brown cloud pollution is, depending on when you said it, dust or particles, and other than jet black soot which I assert and your favored

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says is a major component of "brown cloud" urban air pollution.

Did anyone claim that it builds up as fast in the Pacific Islands as it does in Philadelphia? No, only that it occurs there! Significantly less than what I see in Philadelphia can easily be a black covering of the stuff! Heck, I have seen the stuff a couple millimeters thick in some trashed TV sets in Philadelphia! A hundredth as much is more than enough to be quite a noticeable totally black coating!

I did not say they get brown clouds, and you don't need a brown cloud to get a coating of black soot on things that attract it!

Then what do you claim is the transparent brownish stuff that I saw blowing out of the upper regions of some of them? You have yet to offer any evidence that NO2 is invisible in air masses several miles wide better than noting that a web page I have known you to favor says the principle cause of "brown cloud" is particles, and you have yet to refute that same web page saying that NO2 gives "brown cloud" its color!

Need anyone say more?

Carbon particle output being totally not tolerated because it reduces fuel economy according to you even while significant CO output is tolerated, as an argument that engines can't be producing any fine carbon particles, is relevant.

Relevant because they do make soot and relevant because the soot does easily travel thousands of miles and relevant because Pacific islands do get some of the stuff!

And nearly enough the same level whether a smoke source has no heat source under it all or a 6-alarm fire under it!

Turbulence in the air layer below the inversion due to wind (common to extend upward hundreds of feet and sometimes extends up a couple thousand feet), and convection within the air layer below the inversion if sunlight is reaching the ground.

And your favored

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sure seems to think that soot particles from tailpipes are a major part of the particulate content of "brown cloud". Do you propose that it's all coming from gasoline engines (I only said diesel as an example and not as a limitation anyway)?

It doesn't magically precipitate when wind blows the air somewhere else and dilutes it!

So you bring up greenhouse gases? And significant levels of what? And what do you call significant - monitors accumulating whatever it is at 1% of the rate I have seen TV sets get in Philadelphia would have no problem accumulating a noticeable totally jet black layer of the stuff!

1% of what TV sets accumulate in Philadelphia is more than enough to form a noticeable jet black layer of the stuff!

You don't need brown clouds to get a fraction of a percent of the average soot content of Philadelphia air!

visible mass!

You don't need brown cloud to get half a percent of the average soot content of Philadelphia air, and a monitor getting half a percent as much of whatever I have seen in TV sets in Philadelphia will get a noticeable jet black layer of the stuff!

- Don Klipstein ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)

Reply to
Don Klipstein

He says that pollution can get bad enough to reduce sunlight by 10% a thousand miles away and that soot turns up in all recent ice and snow deposits in Antarctica.

Given that I have seen TV sets with jet black stuff a couple millimeters thick (eyeball estimate) in Philadelphia and that half a percent as much would be a noticeable totally jet black layer that puts a noticeable black smudge on anything you use to wipe it off with...

- Don Klipstein ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)

Reply to
Don Klipstein

Reams of completely irrelevant crap about brown clouds flushed where it belongs.

If YOU are claiming that it builds up much slower in the pacific islands than in a heavily polluted city, YOU have to provide the evidence that thats so.

Basic logic.

Dont believe it.

And when you cant do anything better than this pathetic effort, here goes the chain on the rest of your completely irrelevant waffling on about what doesnt have any relevance what so ever to where that black soot INSIDE monitors is coming from.

Nope, thats just the primary role of that sampling site.

Soot in the air.

Reams of desperate attempts to claim that the jet black soot found in monitors on pacific islands is much lower in volume than seen in a major polluted city flushed where it belongs.

Pity you dont have a shred of evidence that there is any difference at all.

Reply to
Rod Speed

Nope, none of mine have a uniform or anything like that distribution of the jet black soot all over the inner surfaces of the case.

Or perhaps not when most dont use monitors in any airflow at all.

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If it really is hermetically sealed, it obviously must be coming from whats hermetically sealed up in that component.

Basic logic.

Dont get that effect here, just dust colored.

Mine doesnt smell at all. You're clearly talking about something other than the jet black soot being discussed.

Have fun explaining why it doesnt with any of my monitors.

You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant. What you may or may not care about in spades.

Or tell you to go shove your head up a dead bears arse and rub your nose in the fact that no one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read what you arent interested in.

Reply to
Rod Speed

On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:15:16 +1000, "Rod Speed" Gave us:

You are as mature as a freshly pinched brown load of shit, boy. That is where you belong. Flush yourself, retard boy.

Reply to
DarkMatter

On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:23:20 +1000, "Rod Speed" Gave us:

Hell, if you call him the "size" of irrelevance, that would make you

4 orders of magnitude smaller than a point source!
Reply to
DarkMatter

no kidding!

Clearly the fine, dry black dust that gets all over our HT equipment is ENTIRELY UNRELATED to the fine, dry black dust that gets all over everyone elses HT equipment. It might not EMIT a smell, but it definately has an olfactory effect if it enters your nose.

Take the comment in context and you'll realise that I didn't literally mean "all over the monitor." I had previously outlined precisely where it accumulates in our monitors.

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Steve

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Pity it makes the rest of your waffle completely irrelevant if its correct.

All the rest of your puerile silly shit flushed where it belongs.

Reply to
Rod Speed

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