OT: Wild Weather

What extra water? The Northern ice cap is floating.

One of the definitions of the American West is that region of the country which gets less than twenty inches of rainfall a year. That would normally include San Francisco, but not this year: it looks like it's going to rain forever. All those cute Spanish-style stucco houses are now deep green on their north sides.

John

Nice try but the ice there won't last long.. It's already melting....

Quote: Glaciers in the Garhwal Himalaya in India are retreating so fast that researchers believe that most central and eastern Himalayan glaciers could virtually disappear by 2035.

Quote: Tibet's glaciers heading for meltdown

Quote: Melting glaciers threaten Peru

Pease porridge cold, Pease porridge in the pot, Nine days old.

;-) Cheers! Rich

You're down near Indiannapolis aren't you, Dave?

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

Or the former.

I did not know that.

Please provide the temperature records for the periods preceding the last three ice ages.

Sno-o-o-o-o-rt ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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This information is readily available.

right!

;-)

Not according to the old maps I referred to. Nor many, if not most of the references on the internet I scanned. 1167AD and while spellings do change, I think it was at least as old and quite possibly older than the later versions. However I am not arguing! I am pointing out a alternate possible logically sound interpretation!

Seesh! You would think it was an election!

(in

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UNDERSTAND what

"Zeeland" - which

to note

is

Danish, and

'sea

Perhaps, but you also may not be correct. I can admit to not interpreting the screwed up spelling correctly, Can you?

Philadelphia!

Meanwhile, what I said was what I remembered from books... I was never actually there.

I do pay attention to weather figures, in addition to the relative humidity at the time of highest temperature on bad hot days in humid areas (like Philadelphia!) being much less than the morningtime figures that most people remember...

It does look like I misremembered the summer figures for Phoenix a little...

I forgot about rocks, gravel, outright soil, etc. but I still remember reading that most of the USA's desert southwest is not sand dunes like the Gobi or much of the Sahara.

I doubt tornaodes but something else, maybe a "gustnado" or something similar to a "gustnado". Tornadoes form from thunderstorms or large cumulus or cumulonimbus clouds that are almost thunderstorms.

I just checked out:

(some climatological data for Sky Harbor airport)

Looks like I did misremember the average July rainfall of Phoenix - looks like about .9 inch (and 1 inch in August) and I thought it was about

I thought average July high temp. in Phoenix was upper 90's F and average June high temp. was slightly over 100. This page says about 106 for July and 103.5 for June...

Maybe I was thinking of the figures for Tucson (did not just recheck) - a little cooler in July than Phoenix, but according to a friend of mine who lived there they are even drier in July than Phoenix even though this "summer monsoon season" is mentioned there as well as at Phoenix.

And that page says that due to massive building there, the recent year temperature figures (they say 1988-2002) are higher than in the more distant past.

Then again, according to

(That paper appears to make a case for global warming based on Phoenix temperatures, as far as I can tell from reading it very briefly. Urban buildup appears to me more likely, especially since I remember a computer projection of global warming predicting Arizona would mostly get slightly cooler while the planet as a whole gets warmer.)

Highest temperature for the year 2002 was 113, despite that year being top in the 1988-2002 period for days in a year with 110-plus degrees F.

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The 122 degree F reading for June 26 1990 at Sky harbor Airport I do remember reading in USA Today as being an all time record high temperature for Phoenix. The record for the entire state of Arizona is 128 degrees F and at an elevation more than 600 feet lower than Sky Harbor airport, which makes me think the air above the desert away from the "green" airport does not get 10 degrees hotter than the air at the airport.

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I remember reading in a newspaper that official temperature readings are taken 4 feet above the ground. That article did say the ground can get cooler at night, and they mentioned a figure of 4 degrees cooler which I believe is not the maximum possible temperature difference between the ground and the air 4 feet above the ground. Obviously the ground and air closer to the ground gets hotter when the sun is heating the ground.

- Don Klipstein ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)

Philadelphia!

Meanwhile, what I said was what I remembered from books... I was never actually there.

I do pay attention to weather figures, in addition to the relative humidity at the time of highest temperature on bad hot days in humid areas (like Philadelphia!) being much less than the morningtime figures that most people remember...

It does look like I misremembered the summer figures for Phoenix a little...

I forgot about rocks, gravel, outright soil, etc. but I still remember reading that most of the USA's desert southwest is not sand dunes like the Gobi or much of the Sahara.

I doubt tornaodes but something else, maybe a "gustnado" or something similar to a "gustnado". Tornadoes form from thunderstorms or large cumulus or cumulonimbus clouds that are almost thunderstorms.

I just checked out:

(some climatological data for Sky Harbor airport)

Looks like I did misremember the average July rainfall of Phoenix - looks like about .9 inch (and 1 inch in August) and I thought it was about

I thought average July high temp. in Phoenix was upper 90's F and average June high temp. was slightly over 100. This page says about 106 for July and 103.5 for June...

And that page says that due to massive building there, the recent year temperature figures (they say 1988-2002) are higher than in the more distant past.

Maybe I was thinking of the figures for Tucson (did not just recheck) - a little cooler in July than Phoenix, but according to a friend of mine who lived there they are even drier in July than Phoenix even though this "summer monsoon season" is mentioned there as well as at Phoenix. (Flagstaff is much wetter and also mentioned in USA Today as never reaching 100 degrees F - possibly a rainfall figure in my mind belonged to Flagstaff!)

Then again, according to

Highest temperature for the year 2002 was 113 according to the above-mentioned page with Sky Harbor Airport data, despite that year being top in the 1988-2002 period for days in a year with 110-plus degrees F.

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The 122 degree F reading for June 26 1990 at Sky harbor Airport I do remember reading in USA Today as being an all time record high temperature for Phoenix. The record for the entire state of Arizona is 128 degrees F and at an elevation more than 600 feet lower than Sky Harbor airport, which makes me think the air above the desert away from the "green" airport does not get 10 degrees hotter than the air at the airport.

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I remember reading in a newspaper that official temperature readings are taken 4 feet above the ground. That article did say the ground can get cooler at night, and they mentioned a figure of 4 degrees cooler which I believe is not the maximum possible temperature difference between the ground and the air 4 feet above the ground. Obviously the ground and air closer to the ground gets hotter when the sun is heating the ground.

- Don Klipstein ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)

Perhaps---but why he would name an area with such magnificent topography after an area that basically as flat as a board remains a mystery!

Mark Borgerson

Doesn't "steaming hot" sort of contradict "Don't worry about the hunmidity, though, there is none"? ;-)

I spent about 7 weeks of the last year working in Eloy---between Phoenix and Tucson. I must confess that the June and August weeks were uncomfortably hot while sitting out in the drop zone waiting for the autonomously guided parachutes to fall from the sky. OTOH, I think it was the May trip where I had to slow to 40 on the freeway due to heavy rains---which caused flooding in the streets near my sister's home north of Phoenix. I think I personally witnessed one of those 7 inches of precipitation.

Climate is what you wish you had---weather is what you get.

Mark Borgerson

I guess "in honour of", rather than "reminds me of".....

Ken

Ah! Great weather there, I am sure! But I have only been there once, and it was summer. I can't really comment. Couldn't see much in the rain.

was never

relative

humid areas > (like Philadelphia!) being much less than the morningtime figures that

Phoenix a

remember

dunes like the

True, and it was found that Camels couldn't be much use since the rocks hurt their feet. A guy known as "Hi-Jolly" brought camels there to train for the army. No luck with it.

something

large

These tear up houses, snap power poles like toothpicks, and rip off roofs and scatter fences. There have been places where a house was totally demolished and the next door place was nearly untouched. The Weather people call them Tornados, and the damage I've seen would confirm the destructive force. No, they are not as big as those in the Midwest, and that may cause some confusion. But when one truck is lifted clear of the ground and tossed off the road in front of you on the freeway, you believe. Personally when there is a dust storm, I hide!

twisters

not

in

Phoenix -

was about

and

about 106

recent year

more

IMO That is the entire basis of the entire Global warming hypothesis.

recheck) -

of mine

though this

Phoenix.

never

belonged to

The term "summer monsoon season" is misleading. It refers to a condition, not the actual rain, or even the humidity. It is customarily VERY dry in the summer months. The local joke it that when the weathermen measure the rain in Phoenix, they report the distance between the drops hitting the surface. So it the drops are three inches apart, we had a three inch rain fall.

about 104

I was there then, and this was At the Airport! There is about five acres of irrigated green around the shaded shelter that they take the temperature in. That much watered greenery is the equivalent of a lot of air conditioning!

year being

Record in 1990 was 122 in Phoenix and Yuma. List of records at

degrees F.

Airport I do

temperature > for Phoenix. The record for the entire state of Arizona is 128 degrees F

airport,

"green"

airport.

Sometimes even more. North side of my place in Paradise Valley the thermometer sometimes read 118 to 126 degrees, official temp (airport) was 104 Degrees. (about 20 miles.)

Yuma is also a hot place. West of it there ARE dunes!

readings are > taken 4 feet above the ground. That article did say the ground can get

which I

between the

ground and

ground.

Well known that the surface will get much hotter, and if your in the desert you try to find shade and get at least 18 inches above ground since that is the largest change from the surface. More gets you somewhat cooler. (Not a lot!) Without enough water a person can die of heat stroke in as little as an hour. (Depends on the individuals condition.)

He's actually illustrating the point that he doesn't understand how spelling works and how places names change with the language being used.

The modern habit of spelling a word in just one "correct" way is a fairly recent innovation - traditionally, you just slapped down some letters that sounded more or less right. The various surviving examples of Shakespear's signature don't all spell his name the same way ...

This shows up in the way different languages spell the name of the same place in fairly different ways. I live in Nijmegen, but if I cross the border into Germany, the signposts all point back to Nimwegen. A fornight ago I was driving past Cologne, but the signposts all point towards Koeln (actually, Koln with an omlaut on top of the "o", but the additional "e" is the standard way of representing the spelling if your font doesn't include the omlaut).

If I were to drive down to Burgundy (Bourgogne), from here the road goes around Luik (Liege) just after I enter Belgium (Belgie, Belgien, Belgique) ...

--------- Bill Sloman, Nimwegen