OT: Wild Weather

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Yet the satellite weather people do not see any rise, in fact they are seeing a cooling trend which would be consistent with a coming ICE age!

I saw one report which predicted a 2 degree 'C' rise on the west coast of California, in 9,485 years, plus or minus about 800 years.

I make that ~1.93 kW/m^2. I guess the respective cross sections make a bit of a difference in total insolation but now it's my turn to be too lazy to look it up.

- YD.

Peas, porridge hot...

(I see as a result a somewhat photogenic thunderstorm scene whose most "tornadic" feature appears to be to be a non-tornadic feature known as a "tail cloud", and "tail clouds" are a non-tornado feature supposedly more common in thunderstorm scenes supposedly somewhat favorable to tornadoes!)

I put this into my favorite web browser, and wait things out...

Meanwhile, I want to remind "the world" that most "arid" parts of Arizona USA are barely/hardly so, and a majority of the USA's "desert southwest" is barely "arid". Much of that little region of this planet gets enough rainfall so as to not be in some sand-dune region, but something a little more humid - the ground there evidences evidence that it rains there, even if a truly soaking rainfall almost deserves a holiday!

How about much of the "desert" portion of the USA not being really arid sand-covered desert, but a majority of the USA's "southwest" desert area has its surfrace being "desert pavement" - as in soil usually dried and cracked into a "cracked"/"crackled" soil-with-cracks, sometimes with a pattern that can approach being hexagonal! As opposed to being swept or buried in sand or sand-dunes!

How about a significant part of the USA's "desert southwest" having a mid-late summer humidity season that much of that region calls a "monsoon"? How about the rainfall of an average July in Phoenix being almost a month's worth of rain in Philadelphia?! How about Phoenix having humidity in the month or two of "monsoon season" being around 20, sometimes approaching to around 30 percent at time of high temperature (mid-upper 90's degrees F or roughly 34-37 degrees C) - with humidity close to 30% at time of high temperature, higher at other times of the day and over 70% when nighttime temperature is near or over 79 degrees F (26 degrees C)!

- Don Klipastein ( snipped-for-privacy@misty.com)

Thanks! Rich

Thanks! Rich

I think neither. Zeeland is a province where 3 or 4 major rivers of Europe end into the North sea. The province consists of several islands like New Zealand does. I think that's why he named it that way because that's the only thing which is resembling. Fjords, glaciers and mountains can not be found in the Netherlands.

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So from your exposition, it is clear you have never been in Arizona? So what are you going to remind us of that you are unaware of except for a generalization from the internet? Where are you anyway?

The Desert is described as a "Sonora Desert" and the area gets to as much as 120 degrees 'F' or more in the shade in some summers. Although the "Official" temperature taken in the airports nice field of green is always less. I have seldom seen any "desert pavement" since most of the native areas are a combination of sand, soil, gravel and rock. The native plants are Cactus, sage, Palo-Verde and Yucca. With a scattering of Tamarack, Creosote, and other plants which require little water.

Summer dust storms often hide small tornados, and there are frequent "Dust Devils" almost anytime. Small twisters which only stir up the dust.

In the Winter there are tourists, (Snow Birds) in the summer not as many!

Quote: Average Weather What can we say about Phoenix? It's a desert. It's steaming hot in the summer. It's milder in the winter (highs in the 60s and 70s), providing a great escape for true winter refugees. The temperatures rise upwards of 115 degrees in the summer. Don't worry about the humidity though, there is none. You don't really sweat too much out in the desert, but don't let that fool you. It's essential to drink plenty of water. Nearly every restaurant and public area is air-conditioned during the summer so you'll find a bit of refuge from the heat. Phoenix averages 300 sunny days and 7 inches of precipitation annually.

New Look at Satellite Data Supports Global Warming Trend

Satellite data reveals rapid Arctic warming

His data show that sea-ice temperatures during the summer - the most critical season for ice cover - increased 1.22°C per decade

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So your saying that Copenhagen is NOT on the Island of Zealand? Well if you insist on mis-spelling it, I suppose you may be right! Since New Zealand is also an Island, I suspect it was the source of the name in the Pacific.

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But there is also a Zeeland, and the names may be related.

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As one would suspect, BS can't spell, but that is exactly what I would expect. I am so glad I kill filed that clown!

Read the entire link, it seems no one really knows how the name came about. But there is a "Dutch" influence!

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But this is a Political position. I work with a company that builds the satellites, the analysts are always amused at the inaccurate reporting. Yet they can not get their own papers published since the media and universities turn a deaf ear to any disagreement. Also, previous reports all showed the rise (which usually proceeds an ICE age, was only .9 to 1 degree 'F' per decade! Very inconsistent!

No, I'm saying that (if it is true) is irrelevant to the naming of the country NZ.

You could try looking it up...

"Able Tazman in 1642 and named the land Nivew Zeeland after the Netherland's Province of Zeeland."

On a Dutch globe-map of the mid-seventeenth century, the name "Zeelandia Nova" - the Latin equivalent of the Dutch "Nieuw Zeeland" and the English "New Zealand" - appears for the parts of New Zealand discovered by Tasrnan. [i.e. W.J. Blaeu's 60 cm terrestrial globe - revised by his son Joan Blaeu in 1648 - Brian Hooker.] Zealand is a Dutch maritime province. We may see in these facts the emergence of the designation Nieuw Zeeland and in due course of its English equivalent as a name replacing the unsatisfactory Staten Land and bestowed on New Zealand by analogy with the name Nieuw Holland for Australia. A.S. [Andrew Sharp]

Zeeland just means sea-land, so the existence of simlar names is not really indication of any direct causal relationship. Whether the Copenhagen one was "the original" could still be argued, of course, if one was of that bent. ;-)

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

Clarence provides yet another example of his failure to UNDERSTAND what he reads - he thinks I can't spell, presumably because "Zeeland" - which is the Dutch spelling - differs from "Zealand", but has failed to note that examples in the link are all given in Latin, and what he is objecting to is normal transliteration.

Of course if he read what his critics had to say, rather than burying his head in the sand by kill-filing them, he might get rid of some of those convictions of his that ain't so, but sloppy thinking is a hard habit to break.

----------------- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen (in Gelderland, rather than Zeeland, but I was born in Tasmania, also discovered by Abel Janszoon Tasman)

snipped-for-privacy@ieee.org wrote: [...snip anti-American Bush supporting trash heap Clarence...]

Well- he's an inbred geriatric who wasn't all that much in his younger days, and a good example of why unbridled public access to the internet makes usenet a sewer.

P.S. The city in Dänemark is "København" and it's on "Seeland". ;-)

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

I read in sci.electronics.design that snipped-for-privacy@ieee.org wrote (in ) about 'OT: Wild Weather', on Sun, 9 Jan 2005:

It is also the case that the Danish island is 'Sjaelland' in Danish, and is not pronounced like 'Ze(a)land', even though the meaning is 'sea land'.

The US Weather Service rated three cells in North Scottsdale and one cell in Chandler as tornados.

Tornados are not that uncommon around here. One in the early '70's trashed my North Scottsdale neighborhood, leveling more than two dozen homes. (But I live a charmed life... it took out the houses to the west and to the east of me, but only sand-blasted the trim paint on my house :)

True, this area, and southward into Mexico) is called the Sonoran Desert, with substantial vegetation... sand dunes you get around Yuma and west.

I doubt your numbers.

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Residents and visitors enjoy more than 300 sunshine-filled days annually. Phoenix has an average annual rainfall of 7.66 inches and an average annual high temperature of 85 degrees.

Phoenix is best in the cooler months, October-April, when warm sunny afternoons (mid 60s to mid 80s) melt into cool nights. Occasional rain and thunderstorms occur during the winter, but snow is extremely rare. In the summer temperatures above 100 degrees are common, though the low humidity makes the heat more tolerable.

So? What's your point? Sour grapes because you don't live here anymore?

...Jim Thompson