OT: Wild Weather

"Mark Fergerson" wrote

Hey, is that the SAME Green Gables Restaurant that used to be on

Jim would seem to be a few years behind the game. The present state of the debate is that it is generally accepted that global warming is real. The Greenland and Antarctic ice cores collected in recent years have provided a pretty comprehensive and convincing picture of climate flucuations over the past few hundred thousand years, and some indications of the mechanisms involved. The state of the weather in Arizona over the last hundred years isn't all that relevant.

-------- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

I read in sci.electronics.design that snipped-for-privacy@ieee.org wrote (in ) about 'OT: Wild Weather', on Fri, 7 Jan 2005:

Yes. Even the US government accepts it, but continues to oppose the Kyoto agreement for reasons which DO bear examination. Kyoto is deeply flawed and it implementation looks like being pretty ineffective for a number of reasons. It was very much 'the best compromise', for sufficiently bad values of 'best'. The EU 'carbon trading scheme', if it's not made economically ineffective by setting permitted levels (mass/year) of emission too high, may result in a global scheme that US industry will find acceptable.

The cores show some very rapid changes in climate as well as very much slower ones. These need to be correlated with what is known about the effects of continental drift. For example, the climate of the north coast of India, while it was migrating north from near Madagascar, was very different from what it was when the north coast was not even a memory, and certainly very different from what it is now.

It's relevant, perhaps, but not a reliable indicator of any global trend.

So ... are you guys prepared to give this guy any credence yet?

Take your time ... it's a large site. Absorb over weeks and months ... But just for a quick mention to the topic here:-

Those just from a search (refreshing memory) at

That's just in relation to to the weather discussion aspects ...

But do look at the technical papers, (download docs) and other sections at

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or even (and it's a nice java applet to start with) entering at the top at

Hope that some of you at least will take the time to consider the science.

I read in sci.electronics.design that RdM wrote (in ) about 'OT: Wild Weather', on Sat, 8 Jan 2005:

I think he'd get on well with Ivor Catt.

It's all that matters to me.

MIT* doesn't agree with the global warming theories... that's good enough for me.

• Except for one leftist nut case ;-)

...Jim Thompson

I recall seeing all the data collected from polar ice cores graphed as global temperature over time. I wish I'd remember where the website was. Prolly NOAA or something. The graph was very interesting to see, it showed the temperature fluctuations oscillating rather predictably, clearly showing the ice ages and warmer periods, and looked much like the coercivity of a saturated iron core. (Ironic, seeing the earth has an iron core...) Taking into consideration that the Earth not only goes around our sun but also up/down in its orbit, this makes sense even more sense.

What doesn't make sense is the last few thousand years of the graph. It clearly should have started going into a colder period, but instead the global temperature has stayed almost constant. So what we perceive as being "no change" in global warming might actually be a "big deal."

Disclaimer: I'm no climatologist. :)

Yeah, that was quite a storm to move the store four and some change miles...

OK, maybe my memory's got a hole re: the name. But it was _a_ restaurant at 3d and Camelback that lost part of its roof.

Restaurant quality in the PHX metro area is so damn variable, what with chefs moving around, Official Dietary Recommendations screwing with my carnivorous instincts, and like that, not to mention the "infant mortality" in the field. Durant's is still my steak benchmark, franchises like Black Angus and Ruth Chris' notwithstanding. For Sonoran (what most Anglos call "Mexican") I like La Tolteca or Dos Molinos when I have time. Too bad Dos Amigos folded; best chiles rellenos I've ever tasted. Still can't find decent Chinese or Thai.

A cabbie once told me of some passengers he had from India who wanted to try "American Food". He pointed at a strip of restaurants; Italian, Japanese, Mexican, and so on, and said "That's American food". Smart Cabbie.

Mark L. Fergerson

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson wrote (in ) about 'OT: Wild Weather', on Fri, 7 Jan 2005:

Is there a web page that explains why?

I read in sci.electronics.design that Mark Jones wrote (in ) about 'OT: Wild Weather', on Fri, 7 Jan 2005:

Who is? But the Milankovic cycle is quite irregular (at least three uncorrelated periods - almost as bad as audio!), and it *seems to me* not to be very well quantified (odd for a near-Earth astronomical effect), so it *seems to me* to be difficult to be sure exactly what we should 'expect'. For example, are we in an interglacial or has the latest glaciation cycle ended, so that we should expect several million years with no ice ages?

I read in sci.electronics.design that Mark Fergerson wrote (in ) about 'OT: Wild Weather', on Fri, 7 Jan 2005:

That's like British food: pizza, chicken rogan josh and prawn green curry. With nasi goreng, of course.

If you are going to blame humans, that glitch better have started in the last 100-200 years. 800 years ago, humans were insignificant producers of greenhouse gasses. We still are, but we are making much more now than we were prior to the industrial revolution. The active volcanos are making way more than we ever could.

-Chuck

I recently visited Auckland (New Zealand). Its now supposed to be summer over there. I've had rain, hail, clouds and sunshine in one day. According to a taxi driver its not uncommon to have all four seasons in one day.

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And I would imagine the quality of the food is not really the issue anymore. Damn!

A few years ago I flew into Minneapolis (August), rented a car and was heading to Chippewa Falls, WI (consulting at Cray/SGS :).

Midway there the radio station in Minneapolis was fading out, so I started scanning the AM band... came upon a station that was announcing a tornado sighting in a town I had just passed.

Looked in my rear view mirror, and there it was, up close and personal :-(

Put my foot to the floor and outran it, wheeeew ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Don't forget cow flatulence ;-)

...Jim Thompson

I read in sci.electronics.design that Chuck Harris wrote (in ) about 'OT: Wild Weather', on Fri, 7 Jan 2005:

Rather like the stock market. If you look at its history there are obvious cycles. ...just try to catch them right each time. I think this is another manifestation of our image recognition wiring. "Past performance is no guaranty of future results."

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Sounds like Kansas! I spent a couple of years there, in the army, and the weather was "All over the map" in terms of abrupt variation. Except for about two months in the summer. Rain and storms, but always reasonably warm. The rest of the year, anything goes!