No it's actually an easy way of ignoring stupidity. It's not censorship to not listen to the rambling of the self important. If you can't follow establshed etiquette then we don't have to pay attention to you.
Oh yeah, *PLONK*
Well, that settles it. I won't top post any more because I've been plonked. What shall I do? Oh, dear. What shall I ever do?
On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:37:50 -0600, I said, "Pick a card, any card" and anon-i-mouse instead replied:
-- Ray
Top-posting is not a matter of etiquette, it is a matter of personal style.
Making immature remarks about others' style is, however a matter of the _lack_ of etiquette.
So is continuing off topic discussion under a subject that has long since ceased to be relevant. Good bye and have a nice day.
-- Pertti
It is the bottom posters who repeatedly raise this topic.
Address your remarks to them.
Did you read the postings to this newsgroup and post followups to it without complying with RFC977?
I've never liked the RFC nomenclature for approved items. It would seem that a different nomenclature should be used for those RFCs that have been approved for use versus those that have been run up the flagpole to see who salutes.
Part of the problem with "standards" for the Internet is that there is no "owner" to set the rules. Everyone who connects to and uses the Internet is an "owner" and can set his own rules. However, setting one's own rules that are different from everyone else's is chaos.
As for standards of any sort, all are volunary unless specified by law or contract.
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:28:53 PST, I said, "Pick a card, any card" and snipped-for-privacy@mojaveg.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com (Everett M. Greene) instead replied:
Precisely my point. We agree.
-- Ray
This reflects that usenet is an open community, not a police state. The punishment for not obeying the rules is that you don't belong to the community. If your ISP would ignore the rules, you couldn't communicate with us.
Your punishment for not obeying the rules, has already been applied, unbeknownst to you. The most valuable answers you could got for your questions are not available, because the most knowledgeable persons of this group have killfiled you.
Groetjes Albert
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While this may be true under circumstances, it does not even begin to tell the whole story. If anyone feels he should killfile me because of the format of my posts, I would only encourage him to do that. No chance such a person would have any useful replies for me anyway. People who do have useful replies would be way too busy to initiate top/bottom post arguments. BTW, the same top/bottom post thread initiators gladly tolerate broken English - if properly bottom posted, that is.
My suggestion to all of the bttom vs. top post religion preachers is to get a real job which keeps them busy doing something useful.
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On 12 Jan 2008 17:59:53 GMT, I said, "Pick a card, any card" and Albert van der Horst instead replied:
Actually, I've never been here for answers. I don't need them. I'm here to give them when needed.
-- Ray
That's not actually true - there are people around who can be very smart, very helpful, and very petty (though not so much in this group). And while few would killfile someone for the occasional top-post, some might do so for actively advocating top-posting. Of course, there are some who might killfile me for simply adding to this off-topic thread...
Most of us here are very tolerant of broken English - if it is a matter of a non-native English speaker doing his/her best. Few are tolerant of deliberate SMS-speak or other such childish nonsense, but I have seen very few spelling flames in this group. We even tolerate American spelling!
Are we not allowed to relax a little with non-essential banter? Anyway, while people may ask questions here as part of their real job, not many could justify answering questions as proper work - we do it for enjoyment, to help people, to contribute to the quality of embedded development, and to learn from discussions.
Well may be they do exist but I have yet to get to know one of them :-).
Of course we are (do I feel silly for being so serious on that...).
Frankly, really interesting technical topics come up once every few months, the rest of the time we do pub-like talk anyway. Nothing wrong with that with me - nor with top/bottom posting flames, although I believe some people do put more in them than they should. But it is freezing outside - has been for months now - and I definitely prefer sitting here than going out for a walk or wherever during my idle moments... Well, apart from wanting to kill some of the global warming lie proponents. OK, may be not kill, I'll settle for tying them in the cold outside for a while... :-). Or I'd give them to those Scottish football fans who had their matches postponed today because of the frozen pitches (I really wonder how frequent can that be). The English were luckier, not that the games I had on telly here today were any good (particularly the late one, me being a Newcastle supporter since the early Shearer times... :-).
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You come across them in more specific groups - in Linux groups, you'll find networking gurus who will flame anyone who uses a graphical browser (and woe betide anyone who mentions Windows!), and in some Microsoft groups you'll find anyone mentioning open source labelled an evil communist virus-spreader by otherwise knowledgeable experts. In sci.electronics.design, there are people who will give expert advice on electronics questions, but in political threads (of which there are many in s.e.d.) they'll label Attila the Hun as a "leftist weenie". It's fun, as long as you're wearing your flameproof underwear.
Global warming is an average thing - it often makes more sense to call it "global climate change". Britain (and especially here in Norway) will not get warmer once the gulf stream fails.
Do you live in Newcastle? It never really gets cold there, judging by the dress sense of the girls on Friday nights...
I know, I do read SED (not as regularly as CAE, but a few times a week). A bit more OT than I would read comes there, but definitely a fun group. And I am still not convinced flamers there would have any useful answers for me (but obviously I'll give you the benefit of the doubt) :-).
Oh come on, they've been saying this for years. Obviously I have no case to prove with numbers against that, but just look at the weather reports from the entire hemisphere - it is a very cold winter by any standards all over the place. Then I smell propaganda talk (having grown up under a communistic regime) before those who spread it even know they are doing propaganda talk. This thing smells like propaganda aiming to slow down the Asian petrol consumption (as if they would care and would stop it from soaring... :-).
No-no, never been there. The only places I have lived in are Bulgaria (presently there as well) and Germany (Cologne). Just used to like a lot Shearer when he used to play - I am far from what you would call a football fan, but I like watching a game or two on TV as long as this is English premier league or world cup or sort of :-). The habbits on Friday nights you refer to sound intriguing, though...
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